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Title: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: X23 on November 17, 2006, 08:12:57 pm
Who heres getting it? I've heard alot of people are, but I wanted to make a topic anyway.

I'll be getting Twlight princess for now, I'll probably get more, but I haven't read much about the other launch games. I was dissapointed Super smash bros brawl was delayed to 2007 though.
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: boris on November 17, 2006, 08:15:57 pm
I'm going to get it for Christmas. I am more interested in the classic controller and the fact that they are going to be introducing a lot of cool additions to the console - like they did with the classic Nintendo.
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: VC on November 17, 2006, 08:36:58 pm
I haven't bought console in a decade.  But I'd still trust Nintendo with my money before Sony or Micro.
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: .sh4k3n on November 17, 2006, 09:16:46 pm
I'm thinking about getting one around christmas, but I'm not sure. I've got a couple of other things taking priority over it.
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: Wake[of]theBunT on November 17, 2006, 09:31:15 pm
omg degul frum CS!!!!@@112347^%%#

hey guys, do you REALLY want to be a Wiitard??

cool! coz im in, some time a few months after some kewl games come out.  ;D
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: Polizei on November 17, 2006, 09:35:36 pm
Eventually I will obtain it. For twilight princess and for what Boris said.
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: WNxPrendatram on November 17, 2006, 11:15:56 pm
Ordering it as soon as Amazon stock it, i cannot wait for this!
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions.
Post by: Enzo.Matrix on November 18, 2006, 02:53:10 am
I will be getting it, but not right away..  i am a cheep bastard and want the best deal i can.
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions.
Post by: Mike [fourtecks] on November 18, 2006, 03:25:36 am
I thought you wanted a new george forman, Enzo.

I'm going to stop by Wal-Mart tomorrow night sometime just before midnight. I hate Wal-Mart, its such a shitty place and I hate their ethics, but it will basically be the only one open at that time. If I somehow fail to get one there, I'll just wait until the other stores open. Though I doubt I will have much trouble trying to find one, theres so many damn stores around here.
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions.
Post by: Snaker8 on November 18, 2006, 03:32:46 am
I'm probably going to get it at Christmas or something... I'm a cheap skate.  I really like all the features it has, including the channels, the controllers, the size, and much more.  Find out more at Wii.com (http://wii.com)
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions.
Post by: X23 on November 18, 2006, 03:49:03 am
By time smash bros brawl comes out alot of people will have it and we can have a ges ssbb tournament.
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions.
Post by: DaDude on November 18, 2006, 06:54:03 am
I'm getting it at launch. I WAS going to get it at midnight, but it seems all the stores around where I live are only selling it in the morning. :(
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions.
Post by: Polizei on November 18, 2006, 06:16:27 pm
Ah, how I would love to have the time on my hands to sit down with a wiimote and play zelda from midnight to midnight.


Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions.
Post by: Snaker8 on November 18, 2006, 07:23:08 pm
I think I'm obsessed with the Wii now...I'm thinking about getting the game Red Steel for it, as well as Twilight Princess.  And of course the new Smash Bros. when it comes out.  Do you guys know any other good games coming out for the Wii?
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions.
Post by: HardHittinHeeb on November 18, 2006, 07:36:52 pm
I'm going to get the Wii at launch. I hope there isn't much of a line, and I hope that I could get one.
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions.
Post by: Snaker8 on November 18, 2006, 07:39:19 pm
I'll get the Wii at some point.
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: Mike [fourtecks] on November 19, 2006, 02:35:57 pm
I just got a wii. I started a zelda game to just barely run around a bit. Then I tried out a very tad of wii sports. But now I am letting my system update, which is taking awhile since everyone is doing it I bet. However my main goal right now is to get a tad of sleep before going to work. My impressions will have to wait until I get a good amount of time avail to put into this thing ;)
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: 7SEALS on November 19, 2006, 03:23:16 pm
me and a buddy of mine waited 8 hours for one. We got it at midnight. Didn't get any games though. We just played around with the Wii sports, and wow I am impressed. All the motions on Wii sports are very basic, but all they need is a game to take the basic moves and make them more advance. It really has some potential. I can't wait to see some mario party games.
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: VC on November 19, 2006, 06:56:15 pm
:: But now I am letting my system update, which is taking awhile since everyone is doing it I bet.

Steam Steam lol.
I guess I won't be getting Revo at all, then.  My NES never needed an update.  Neither did my SNES.
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: X23 on November 19, 2006, 07:15:58 pm
Uopdats r eveel
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: VC on November 19, 2006, 07:34:21 pm
Maybe it's downloading "Content?" シゲルダンスパーティー!!!
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: X23 on November 19, 2006, 08:08:28 pm
Maybe it's downloading "Content?" シゲルダンスパーティー!!!

The download is for the wiishop thing, I'm pretty sure its supposed to be optional.
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: .sh4k3n on November 20, 2006, 11:30:47 pm
Finally got to play a Wii yesterday. Man, I'm hooked. Definitely going to pick one up around christmas time. Wii Sports is so damn cool. So was Red Steel... my coordination hasn't been put to the test like that in a looong time.
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: Mike [fourtecks] on November 21, 2006, 04:37:51 am
ha, yea, it was downloading the wiiconnect24 and wii shop stuff, my mistake.

Anywho I've put in a lot of time in Zelda now and I am extremely impressed. It's so damn good and so polished its so far one of the most amazing game experiences of my life. It took about 20 minutes to get used to the sword play, because at first I always wanted to smash a button to swing it. Then later you 'learn' how to smack your shield at the enemy by thrusting the nunchuck forward. very very awesome. oh, and you don't have to make big movements either, just lightly shake the controllers and its all good.

I worried that the pointer cursor would be really shaky on screen, but instead its very smooth and very accurate. I can't wait to see what kind of unique games come out in the future
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: Sanjuro on November 21, 2006, 05:03:01 am
I hate everyone of you who has a Wii now. Argh, I need money...
Been waiting to buy that since I saw the first teaser trailer of the new Legend of Zelda game. I bet that's the game that reeled in a lot of folks. With good reason, since it's one of the best franchises around, not to mention one of the most recognizable gaming icons in the history of gaming...
(Yup, big time Zelda-fan. Does it show?)
I wanted Red Steel too, but I heard it was "meh" game. Like it was alright, but not as good as it could've been. Controls being too wonky or something, I dunno. But there's bound to be better games for it later on. Rayman looks awesome and Sonic does too. Hopefully I'll get it for Christmas.
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: Mike [fourtecks] on November 21, 2006, 05:15:22 am
The Wii is selling out fast, good luck finding one this holiday season ;)
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: KevinJohn3D on November 22, 2006, 11:45:55 pm
Okay, I'm one of the few, the proud, the crazy who waited 6 hours on Saturday. Got my Wii, and I'm glad I did.

Now I'm looking to upgrade my 32" 4:3 SDTV to something that can run the native 480p widescreen that Zelda looks oh so good in. Anyone have any suggestions? I've been looking all over for a 30"+ widescreen tube EDTV. All I've been finding are plasma (too expensive and burn in problems) and HDTVs (more than I need or want to pay for). I know they've been made in the past, just finding one today is proving impossible. Maybe we Wii owners can demand they start making them again....
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: Hybriz on November 24, 2006, 12:43:22 am
I'm about to buy a Wii after christmas. Paycheck today 24/11... but have to buy christmas presents and all kind of stuff :(
the Wii release is on 6or8/12 here in sweden... so i'm not really in a rush...
hopefully they will have gotten a new shipment after christmas :)
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: Polizei on November 24, 2006, 04:24:58 am
I like thinking of you as a floating, talking billiard ball, KevinJohn3D. I like it a lot.

My brothers roommate has a wii. I haven't heard a single person who's tried it knock it, yet.
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: KevinJohn3D on November 24, 2006, 04:55:39 am
I like thinking of you as a floating, talking billiard ball, KevinJohn3D. I like it a lot.
:D Sadly, my real world persona is neither hovering nor spherical nor orange for that matter. But I'm glad you like it. In my 3ds max model, he's got legs and arms but it was easier to make him hovering for the pic.
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: DaDude on November 25, 2006, 04:15:13 am
I waited 12 hours, got it at 7 AM (yep, not ONE single store in Ottawa had a midnight release). I've been tired the entire week, but it rocks. I've mainly played it with friends though.
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: Vin007 on December 06, 2006, 11:19:13 am
Xbox 360... nice. Oh wait, Micro$oft.

Playstation 3... oh wait, Sony. That company that installed rootkits on my pc making my entire pc useless in the end.

Wii... Nintendo yay! Oh wait, DRM.

Looks like I won't be buying any console.
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: X23 on December 06, 2006, 08:48:12 pm
Nintendo has DRM?
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: Vin007 on December 06, 2006, 10:33:10 pm
Nintendo has DRM?

It's everywhere these days... iPod, Windows service pack 2 and above, Playstation 2, Xbox1, MTV Overdrive... You name it. It's a curse! I thought I was doing OK when a website told me I didn't have a DRM capable OS untill I found it it's also in my Playstation 2. :'(
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: DeJaVood0o on December 12, 2006, 09:29:32 pm
Wii DRM = You can't play/transfer downloaded retro games on a Wii other than the one with which it was purchased. Not a big deal. Also, I bet that around the same time USB device supprt gets added to the firmware, transfering downloaded games over SD card will be also.
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: ConfusedWisdom on December 12, 2006, 10:09:53 pm
What NOT to do with your Wii (according to translated directions)

http://youtouchmywiiwii.ytmnd.com/
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: Vin007 on December 12, 2006, 10:10:02 pm
Wii DRM = You can't play/transfer downloaded retro games on a Wii other than the one with which it was purchased. Not a big deal. Also, I bet that around the same time USB device supprt gets added to the firmware, transfering downloaded games over SD card will be also.

And then Nintendo released a update and all the purchased DRM games got unplayable and everything was lost. Starting to feel why DRM stands for Digital Restriction Management? Google for it if you must.
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: Polizei on December 13, 2006, 01:49:36 am
Except anyone who uses DRM services such as URGE should realize that they're buying licenses (or rights) to download/listen to music, not the actual music with protection (which would be restrictions). It's a trade off. $10 bucks a month flat rate for access,  you know, like a membership card to a library. Sure, when you stop paying for a subscription, the goods run dry, but you got your jimmies when you were paying, didn't you?

I am not 'misinformed' by Microsoft. I was never informed by microsoft to begin with. I found out myself what DRM was from anti DRM sources and was able to cut through the bullshit which a rag tag team of music pirates had to offer.

Do you know what is happening to the music industry? Record labels are signing artists now based on whether or not their songs will sell as fucking ringtones, not albums. The industry is dying financially, and it's dragging popular culture down with it. DRM subscription services is a way to save it. The industry has to evolve some time, or it's fucked. I for one am completly content with DRM when it's handled by companies (http://www.microsoft.com/) who know how my operating system works.

And even if you are having trouble with compatability, there are perfectly legal ways (http://www.soundtaxi.info) to get around it.



And I don't think you're going to have a problem with Wii virtual console DRM. If I had to complain about the virtual console, I would complain that they're charging too much for every title, when they should go by a system based subscription service (6 bucks a month to play the entire collection of NES games, 10 bucks a month to play the entire collection of SNES games, 15 to play the lot of N64 games.. prices varying depending on what they determine to be the most economic combination) Of course, a system based service would only work when the systems have a more fleshed out collection of games to choose from, but you get the idea.

And then Nintendo released a update and all the purchased DRM games got unplayable and everything was lost.

I can't seem to find this information anywhere, cite please.
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: Locker[Of]Wecs on December 14, 2006, 01:37:06 am
Who really cares anyway? If your friend who has a wii couldn't afford the five bucks to play the old nes game you guys used to play then fuck him, he should go to your house where you've bought it.
Or the 'right to use it' anyway.

The Wii is awesome, I hate most of the games though. Any noise the Wii-mote makes is bound to be annoying. Especially in TLOZ.


I still only bought mine (two days after release) for $120. :)

Then I found a 1 gig SD card for only $13.99 last week.

The only thing I'm missing is a second Wii-mote and Nun-chuk.

And the internet connection, I want to play retro games already!

I was shocked to find out that the PS3 released just two days before the Wii, I'm certain it hurt the Wii's sales. but those people who really wanted Wii's probably got them or are waiting for them. Wii-motes are virtually impossible to find now.

I've rented just about all the games for the Wii (the ones worth mentioning anyway). I only really like Downhill Jam, and I disagree with many things about it. Sure the other games are fun, but I am just not really that interested in playing them for a long time.

I haven't been able to locate Red Steel and I haven't rented Rayman yet.
Excite Truck was fun, TLOZ was alright, I was a little confused but I wasn't that interested in playing. I still play Wii Sports more than any other game. Don't buy the retro controller, if you have a Gamecube controller.
I found some other great gamecube games for really cheap too 10 dollars a pop for paper mario and lego star wars.
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: nowhere on December 15, 2006, 06:23:36 am
And then Nintendo released a update and all the purchased DRM games got unplayable and everything was lost.
I can't seem to find this information anywhere, cite please.
You're talking to Vin, he doesn't get sources for his information just spews whatever comes to his head first.
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: Wake[of]theBunT on December 15, 2006, 08:02:08 pm
Do you know what is happening to the music industry? Record labels are signing artists now based on whether or not their songs will sell as fucking ringtones, not albums. The industry has to evolve some time, or it's fucked.

Yeah but like the man said (some generic punk rocker... i forget), musicians make their money touring! So its only the rich fat cats and misc staff of the struggling companies that feel the pinch, and obviously any record label attached to a big company like sony arent going to see a death anytime soon.

But yes from business perspectives, i wonder where the future of music lay...
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: ConfusedWisdom on December 16, 2006, 05:53:39 pm
Do you know what is happening to the music industry? Record labels are signing artists now based on whether or not their songs will sell as fucking ringtones, not albums. The industry has to evolve some time, or it's fucked.

Yeah but like the man said (some generic punk rocker... i forget), musicians make their money touring! So its only the rich fat cats and misc staff of the struggling companies that feel the pinch, and obviously any record label attached to a big company like sony arent going to see a death anytime soon.

But yes from business perspectives, i wonder where the future of music lay...
Yeah, that's what I heard, too.  One of the social studies teachers at my school is the former drummer of Snapcase (not kidding).  He said that the company takes a large percentage off of the record and song sales, and I also believe he said that most of the band's profit was made off of the merchendise sales.
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: Polizei on December 16, 2006, 09:38:02 pm
Yeah, but the amount of money a band makes has nothing to do with which artists a record label signs. If the label is taking all of the profits from record and song sales, and piracy only hurts those sales, the label has two options:

1. Sign artists based on ringtone sales (bad idea for culture)
2. Take more money from tours and merchandise to maintain profits (bad idea for the artists)

Things are looking bad for Indiana Jones.
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: X23 on December 17, 2006, 04:22:22 pm
I just got wii! Its sitting here in its box with Zelda, and an extra controller!
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: .sh4k3n on December 18, 2006, 02:08:35 am
I just got wii! Its sitting here in its box with Zelda, and an extra controller!

Don't move, I'm coming over with beer.
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: mbsurfer on December 18, 2006, 02:10:41 am
Don't get too drunk, so you forget to open the box  ::)
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: .sh4k3n on December 18, 2006, 06:08:09 am
I think the real issue would not be opening the box, but either damaging the contents by my methods of extraction, or throwing a Wiimote at someone during a drunken rampage on Wii Sports Tennis.
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: Vin007 on December 23, 2006, 12:02:19 am
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I can't seem to find this information anywhere, cite please.
You're talking to Vin, he doesn't get sources for his information just spews whatever comes to his head first.

The problem is that my sources are mostly in Dutch. Given the fact that nobody here speaks it I have to look up English articles wich may not fully (if at all) represent the Dutch article.

What is DRM?
DRM, so called Digital Rights Management for propaganda's sake, is a umbrella term for encrypted data. In order to compute encrypted data it must be decrypted with the encryption key. The problem is "who owns the key?" If it's you than you are in charge, if someone else owns it than they are in charge of that data.

Software company's can use encryption for games, music and other stuff. Like Valve does with Steam this technique can be used for copyprotection. Nothing wrong with that... or is it?

Apple has DRM built into iTunes. Copyprotecting you say? Well what if your iPod is broken, say you accidently dropped it, and you want to buy a better, cheaper Samsung music player? Forget it. You have to buy a new iPod that can store the decryption keys to play all the music you bought through iTunes.

Lock in product

In Windows Vista everything is encrypted. What if you want to switch from MS Office to another office suit, like StarOffice? All the so called 'protected' word documents can not be read.

Protected from what?

Protected from ownership. Everyting DRM you buy is owned by the company, used whenever the company likes it, blocked from you whenever a company thinks they don't want to hand you over the key.

"Good for the industry"

Only good for the large company's. Smaller companys will get crushed. No competition and no future for small record labels.

"Ah whatever! I'll be using Microsoft products for ever and as long as it works I don't see the problem"

Does this ends with Word documents and music? What if everything on the internet will be getting encrypted and the United States government will own all the keys to internet data they ship around? The ultimate propaganda machine! Iraq you say? Nah it's peacefull there. Area51? Nah that doesn't exist.


Digital Restriction Management restricts the end user from his own system. You pay for things that you can't own. Large company's are in charge of your pc. Windows Vista: you harddisk in encrypted... Not you but Microsoft is in control of your pc!
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: Polizei on December 23, 2006, 05:58:38 am
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I can't seem to find this information anywhere, cite please.
You're talking to Vin, he doesn't get sources for his information just spews whatever comes to his head first.

The problem is that my sources are mostly in Dutch. Given the fact that nobody here speaks it I have to look up English articles wich may not fully (if at all) represent the Dutch article.


I'm going to go ahead and guess the article doesn't exist or was mistranslated from x language to dutch to begin with, since there still is no source for me to check, sorry! D:
What is DRM?
DRM, so called Digital Rights Management for propaganda's sake, is a umbrella term for encrypted data. In order to compute encrypted data it must be decrypted with the encryption key. The problem is "who owns the key?" If it's you than you are in charge, if someone else owns it than they are in charge of that data.

Software company's can use encryption for games, music and other stuff. Like Valve does with Steam this technique can be used for copyprotection. Nothing wrong with that... or is it?


Like I said, it's a tradeoff. You are trading ownership for wider access.

Apple has DRM built into iTunes. Copyprotecting you say? Well what if your iPod is broken, say you accidently dropped it, and you want to buy a better, cheaper Samsung music player? Forget it. You have to buy a new iPod that can store the decryption keys to play all the music you bought through iTunes.


There are perfectly legal ways to get around that. (http://www.soundtaxi.info/)
Lock in product

In Windows Vista everything is encrypted. What if you want to switch from MS Office to another office suit, like StarOffice? All the so called 'protected' word documents can not be read.

A valid and plausible argument. I don't have a copy of vista, so I don't know. However, even my MSword has the option to save as .rtf or .txt to maximize compatability.
Protected from what?

Protected from ownership. Everyting DRM you buy is owned by the company, used whenever the company likes it, blocked from you whenever a company thinks they don't want to hand you over the key.

Protected from bankruptcy. Remember, it's a tradeoff, one that greatly benefits you and I: More music, faster, CD quality, low price. And it's legal.
"Good for the industry"

Only good for the large company's. Smaller companys will get crushed. No competition and no future for small record labels.

Smaller labels don't suffer from as much piracy as larger labels do. Small labels will continue to exist and pick up new artists. Why? Because major labels don't go to local shows or meet with small potato bands. They just wait and prey on successful bands when their contract expires for their small label. Anyone else is just a fake groomed to be a star by the mainstream media.
"Ah whatever! I'll be using Microsoft products for ever and as long as it works I don't see the problem"

Does this ends with Word documents and music? What if everything on the internet will be getting encrypted and the United States government will own all the keys to internet data they ship around? The ultimate propaganda machine! Iraq you say? Nah it's peacefull there. Area51? Nah that doesn't exist.

Microsoft is the great satan! You're not going to kill free speech simply by making people go through an extra step (http://www.soundtaxi.info) to get their music. As Adolph said, the people are more prone to believe a big lie than a small one... I can't see a smaller lie than what the R stands for in DRM. :)

Digital Restriction Management restricts the end user from his own system. You pay for things that you can't own. Large company's are in charge of your pc. Windows Vista: you harddisk in encrypted... Not you but Microsoft is in control of your pc!

No, it doesn't restrict you from your own system. You still have access to all of your stuff. You pay for a license to the music. THIS IS A FUNDAMENTAL CONCEPT OF DIGITAL DISTRIBUTION. Unless you go to a store and buy a physical box labeled as the product you want, there is no possible way the company can make it economically feasible to distribute online.

Think of it this way, when they sell you unprotected digital music, they are essentially selling you a mold. You could make as many copies as you want with that mold, but you have to go through a little bit of work. Why on earth would a product maker sell the molds to their products? Wouldn't they rather sell just the finished product so that their design is protected and they get more sales?

In a digital world, the only way to sell just the product is to switch to DRM and sell licenses.

Remember, your experiences aren't defined by what you can take with you to the grave, but by what you did in life.
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: Vin007 on December 23, 2006, 08:16:55 am
I'm going to go ahead and guess the article doesn't exist or was mistranslated from x language to dutch to begin with, since there still is no source for me to check, sorry! D:
http://tweakers.net/nieuws (http://tweakers.net/nieuws)
http://babelfish.altavista.com/ (http://babelfish.altavista.com/)

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A valid and plausible argument. I don't have a copy of vista, so I don't know. However, even my MSword has the option to save as .rtf or .txt to maximize compatability.
Wich will also be encrypted. Not a problem in Windows then, but what if I run Linux?

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Protected from bankruptcy. Remember, it's a tradeoff, one that greatly benefits you and I: More music, faster, CD quality, low price. And it's legal.
In propretary formats that, because of encryption, cannot be reverse engeneerd so that I can't play this on other devices. In the USA you are not allowed to reverse-engeneer but in Europe this is legal to create competition and freedom. You can't, ofcourse, share these files with others.

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Smaller labels don't suffer from as much piracy as larger labels do. Small labels will continue to exist and pick up new artists. Why? Because major labels don't go to local shows or meet with small potato bands. They just wait and prey on successful bands when their contract expires for their small label. Anyone else is just a fake groomed to be a star by the mainstream media.
Their DRM files won't be playable on a iPod, so they have to ship it without DRM, wich is unfair; they can't have copyprotection while Apple can. Another way to circumvent this is to pay a license from Apple so their music will get more expensive or less profitable than iTunes.

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Microsoft is the great satan!
It is a large anti-trust company. DRM is another move from Microsoft to prevent files to run on Linux. If Linux implents DRM than Microsoft is in charge of Linux: they hold the keys. When they don't want to they just don't hand it over because "your OS doesn't pass our legitimate check"

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In a digital world, the only way to sell just the product is to switch to DRM and sell licenses.
So if I use MS Office Word I have to buy a license for Word documents that I created myself?
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: olileauk on December 23, 2006, 11:34:48 am
Lock in product

In Windows Vista everything is encrypted. What if you want to switch from MS Office to another office suit, like StarOffice? All the so called 'protected' word documents can not be read.


WOW, that's bullshit. I have Windows Vista, that doesn't happen.
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: InvertedShadow on December 23, 2006, 07:04:36 pm
Lock in product

In Windows Vista everything is encrypted. What if you want to switch from MS Office to another office suit, like StarOffice? All the so called 'protected' word documents can not be read.
:O??
If so then I'm not taking my free upgrade to vista.
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: Polizei on December 23, 2006, 07:13:25 pm
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A valid and plausible argument. I don't have a copy of vista, so I don't know. However, even my MSword has the option to save as .rtf or .txt to maximize compatability.
Wich will also be encrypted. Not a problem in Windows then, but what if I run Linux?
But .rtf and .txt can't be encrypted. Ever wonder why the major DRM formats are .wma and .aiff? It's because these formats allow for the protection. MP3s can't have DRM because they don't store any information except for the music and the id3 tags. In the same way, .txt and .rtf are designed for maximum compatability because they don't save any other information but the text.
These formats are both very useful when using third party programs. There will always be basic formats like these to maximize compatabilty or, as you see it, protect personal IP.
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Protected from bankruptcy. Remember, it's a tradeoff, one that greatly benefits you and I: More music, faster, CD quality, low price. And it's legal.
In propretary formats that, because of encryption, cannot be reverse engeneerd so that I can't play this on other devices. In the USA you are not allowed to reverse-engeneer but in Europe this is legal to create competition and freedom. You can't, ofcourse, share these files with others.
Like I said, there are perfectly legal ways (http://www.soundtaxi.info) to get around this.
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Smaller labels don't suffer from as much piracy as larger labels do. Small labels will continue to exist and pick up new artists. Why? Because major labels don't go to local shows or meet with small potato bands. They just wait and prey on successful bands when their contract expires for their small label. Anyone else is just a fake groomed to be a star by the mainstream media.
Their DRM files won't be playable on a iPod, so they have to ship it without DRM, wich is unfair; they can't have copyprotection while Apple can. Another way to circumvent this is to pay a license from Apple so their music will get more expensive or less profitable than iTunes.
But this is a difference between large labels and small labels. Small labels can still make money through CD sales because their CDs are already being discriminated against -- they aren't sold at Best Buy or FYE. DRM is only needed to protect larger labels. Smaller ones still function in their crippled state like they have for the last few (many) years. If you're looking out for small labels here, DRM is the least of your worries.
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Microsoft is the great satan!
It is a large anti-trust company. DRM is another move from Microsoft to prevent files to run on Linux. If Linux implents DRM than Microsoft is in charge of Linux: they hold the keys. When they don't want to they just don't hand it over because "your OS doesn't pass our legitimate check"
URGE will only work on legitimate copies of windows with WMP11 to begin with, it's a service designed for their customers. Does it exclude Linux? Yes. Is there anything wrong with a first party program being used as an incentive to buy and use your product? No, it's good business.
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In a digital world, the only way to sell just the product is to switch to DRM and sell licenses.
So if I use MS Office Word I have to buy a license for Word documents that I created myself?

No, because you don't buy a license for things you generate. DRM is apart of digital distribution only. Anyways, in the United States, everything is copyright to the creator the second it is created. It's yours and you can print it out, publish it or save it as a .txt or .rtf
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: Vin007 on December 23, 2006, 11:45:16 pm
@Polizei:

I agree with everything you said so far, but what if I use Linux, and a friend/teacher sends me a DRM Word document? I can read DRM-less Word document with OpenOffice.org.
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: X23 on December 24, 2006, 12:39:12 am
Zelda kicks ass. I'm halfway throught it (First 3 dungeons) And currently doing sidequests. The world is pretty big, theres alot to do, great story, great graphics, combats fun, dungeons and bosses are fun, musics good etc.

I reccommend everyone get it. If you can't get a wii anytime soon and have a Gamecube get it for that.
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: olileauk on December 24, 2006, 12:52:53 am
@Polizei:

I agree with everything you said so far, but what if I use Linux, and a friend/teacher sends me a DRM Word document? I can read DRM-less Word document with OpenOffice.org.

Hello? did you read my post? No, i thought not.

STUFF IN VISTA IS NOT ENCRYPTED!
For the love of god, man. Vista has BitLocker Drive encryption, which encrypts your hard drive's data, yes. BUT IT IS NOT ON BY DEFAULT, and I don't even know how to turn it on.

How do you think i transfer files between my home computer and school, when school runs a different version of office and a different version of Windows?
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: Polizei on December 24, 2006, 03:03:08 am
@Polizei:

I agree with everything you said so far, but what if I use Linux, and a friend/teacher sends me a DRM Word document? I can read DRM-less Word document with OpenOffice.org.

As a general rule of thumb, anyone who plans to send a file from one computer to another should save that file in a format which allows for maximum compatibility. I've learned that the hard way (on more than one occassion). Even when saving files for use in the same program, different versions aren't always compatible. (Flash MX Pro to Flash MX, for example, does not work unless you save in a compatible format) And if your friend/teacher knows you, they should know you wouldn't touch Vista with a 12 foot pole, and should save their documents accordingly.
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: Vin007 on December 24, 2006, 09:04:20 am
How do you think i transfer files between my home computer and school, when school runs a different version of office and a different version of Windows?
1) DRM is baked into Office 2007 for the first time
2) DRM is supported in Windows XP SP2
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: olileauk on December 24, 2006, 11:46:48 am
what makes you think my school have office '07, or XP sp2?

most, if not all of our school computers, run XP, with no service packs. our school ran Office 2000 until april this year when they finally got 2003.

YOUR ARGUMENT FAILS AGAIN, LOLZ
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: Patch on August 04, 2007, 04:50:32 pm
The Wii is a fun console to play with i got on and its alot of fun and i would recommend it to people cause its alot of fun and you just dont sit there getting fat.
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: Polizei on August 04, 2007, 09:01:42 pm
"Gee, I've been playing Wii all day and burning .5 calories a minute... I sure do deserve a couple extra helpings of ham tonight!"
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: Synyster on August 09, 2007, 05:27:14 pm
I don't wanna make the critics out there sound correct when they say "Ooh it's fun for the first 5 minutes"..I have had my Wii for a while , don't get me wrong its fun..but at the moment apart from Wii Sports and Mario Strikers: Charged I haven't really find much I can keep playing on the console...I have a younger brother and I often play on it with him, so I can imagine it would be ever more difficult to get the most out of the console if you are an only child, or living on your own.

Having said that I can't wait for Super Smash Bros. Brawl to come out, I know for sure that it will have loads of playability and last for ages, heck still play SSB: Melee now and again even now.
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: X23 on August 22, 2007, 06:33:41 pm
I haven't played my Wii for months. There are barely any games coming out with replay value and depth. Their whole god damn e3 thing was about the wii fit, and random people playing with the wii controller. I fear the direction Nintendo is going. Atleast they have Mario and Metroid games coming out. I fear these great franchises may eventually start being downsized in favour of bland casual mini games.

They may use the extra money from the pretty weak console, and the popular mini games to make good games. I've read somewhere that the wii is more powerful than it seems though. I'm having doubts about Nintendo, and I've played and liked them ever since I was 3. They've made some of the best games, and I don't want to see their talent go to waste for the money of casual games.
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: kraid on August 29, 2007, 05:37:36 pm
Just take a look on this Treat...

http://forums.goldeneyesource.com/index.php/topic,944.msg11434.html#new (http://forums.goldeneyesource.com/index.php/topic,944.msg11434.html#new)

You're lucky, Metroid Prime 3 is out in America, I have to wait until 26th of October.

I would really like to get Resident Evil 4 (Biohazard 4) for Wii, but there is only the German Version (cut) available.
So I'm looking for the Austrian Version which is Uncut but not bavailable ATM.

It's more worse than ever. Now they cut nearly every Game rated 18 (which means rated 15 in UK).  :-[
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: X23 on September 02, 2007, 01:57:56 pm
Just take a look on this Treat...

http://forums.goldeneyesource.com/index.php/topic,944.msg11434.html#new (http://forums.goldeneyesource.com/index.php/topic,944.msg11434.html#new)

You're lucky, Metroid Prime 3 is out in America, I have to wait until 26th of October.

I would really like to get Resident Evil 4 (Biohazard 4) for Wii, but there is only the German Version (cut) available.
So I'm looking for the Austrian Version which is Uncut but not bavailable ATM.

It's more worse than ever. Now they cut nearly every Game rated 18 (which means rated 15 in UK).  :-[
That sucks. Germany is horrible with censorship, plus Nintendo loves to screw over Europe.

I find it ironic when they censor our nazi flags in games, because the censorship really reminds me of authoritarian government more than a nazi flag does.
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: Deed on February 11, 2009, 01:56:32 pm
Mega-bump, I hope you're not as annoyed about it as some other board is.

So how about them Gamecube reduxes? The Primes are coming out this year and I honestly wouldn't mind trading in the old Gamecube games for these, if there's a significant difference.

Of course I lose the whole "vintage games" thing, but the remakes are apparently "budget-priced," so trading in would hopefully mean I spend fifteen quid on them or something.

Oh yeah, and I have been finding many ways of squeezing playtime out of the old block.  For example, I got No More Heroes for Christmas, which I'm not completely done with.  I also had fun messing around on Super Metroid, and with a dead laptop I have to use my Wii's browser upstairs.

Either way, Mad World looks like an interesting game, so hopefully that won't be a letdown, and would show us once more what the Wii's really about.  Oh and there's No More Heroes 2.  Hopefully the Wii'll be soon out of its drought cycle.
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: drukqaddik on February 25, 2009, 08:08:15 am
i didnt even have to buy one to know i didnt like it. but the recent hacks might persuade me..
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: kraid on February 25, 2009, 10:34:36 am
I'll get Metroid Prime 1&2 for sure. I got them for Gamecube and played them a lot, but i won't mind to get them again coz the control style of MP3 was so good.
This year there'll be a lot more games for us gamers on Wii.
e.g. The Conduit, MadWorld, Prime 1 & 2, Dead Space Extraction, Overlord... .
Now that the Companies see the huge ammount of Wii consoles sold, they start to make games for it.
So i guess there'll be a lot more in the future, beside the casual crap.

The latest game i got is Deadly Creatures. It's kinda different and unique.
You're playing as a Spider and a Scorpion and have to fight your way through the desert.
I like the way of storytelling they made. You crawl your way through some tunnels and find yourself in an old grave or a abadoned car.
Sometimes you can watch humans walking arround in the desert and search for something.
As you get further in the game you'll find out what they were looking for and see.... ok nuff said, don't wanna spoil to much.
The graphics are good and especally the art style and the animations of the insects are fantastic.

This is exactly what i like on Wii, unique games never seen before.
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: Kratos on March 06, 2009, 12:50:01 am
Freaking PUNCHOUT IS COMING OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! for the wiii

http://kotaku.com/5058407/punch+out-wii-trailer-screens

Jeezes I am so excited.
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: JcFerggy on March 06, 2009, 01:11:01 am
I think I'll pass. I saw it a while ago, and I'd rather go for MadWorld.
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: eamonn on March 27, 2009, 11:10:11 pm
Steam is down. :/ Looks like I may turn my Wii on...
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: Milton Malt on June 19, 2009, 06:19:06 pm
Yeah, I don't want to know which way Nintendo is going (I haven't played most of the games on my Wii for months, even Mario Kart, which is my most-played game on it).

One such thing that expresses my concerns is this. (http://www.destructoid.com/nintendo-ditches-challenge-in-their-games-if-you-want-136003.phtml&?no_cache=1&comment_saved=1#comment-1297168)

Also, keep a weather eye out for something finally new and probably coming out next... I want to say Spring- Metroid: (http://forum.metroid2002.com/index.php/topic,8268.0.html) Other M. (http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/wii/home/960554.html)
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: Kratos on November 22, 2010, 06:19:18 am
Donkey Country Returns looks amazing. I really miss Rare, because if they still were the same company which they were 15 years ago, they would made this under their own name, same with Goldeneye Wii.

But Retro is great and I thank them for bringing out Donkey Kong.

I will try this out after I get back from school.
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: VC on November 22, 2010, 09:48:55 pm
What's that smell?

Reply #71 on: June 19, 2009
Reply #72 on: Today

Time to change the baking soda in this thread.
Title: Re: Official Nintendo Wii Discussions
Post by: Kratos on November 22, 2010, 09:52:05 pm
What's that smell?

Reply #71 on: June 19, 2009
Reply #72 on: Today

Time to change the baking soda in this thread.

rofl oh wait forgot this thread is 1 year old.. oh man fuck!