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nerf GG and moonraker PLZ !!!

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SoFGR:
hello there, I've been following this mod  since late 2005, I'm VERY impressed with your latest release and i'm trying to spread  the word about how good this mod is whenever  I get the chance 

thing is , now that you got  movement speed  back to GE64 levels    all the players in  cradle move like  grandmas, wallstrafing  helps  a lot  but  still   ......









just look  how easy  it  is for a  half-decent experienced  21yr old  gamer with an ancient  optical mouse ( intellimouse explorer 3.0 @ 250hz )   to achieve total pwnage  with golden gun and  moonraker laser

imo the situation is not  even funny,  just imagine  how many  ppl  get  frustrated  and  disconnect from the  server when these things happen

So here's what i suggest, since we are not  9 years old  and we are not using  gamepads and 14" CRTs coupled with  RF cables anymore   those  2 guns  need  major adjustments.
1) remove red sight aiming  from  golden gun and laser, especially the laser does not  need any kind of crosshairs IMO  because you can clearly  see where you're shooting at.
2) make laser's firing rate  a bit  slower and  make its  battery last for only 40-50 shots. after that you  will have to pick a new one 
3) increase armor's spawning time to about every  40 seconds  minimum, it's just  too  easy  to  camp near a vest  in cradle/basement classic  and kill everyone in sight , btw  anyone who is carrying the golden gun  should not  be able to pickup armor more than once  in other game modes too, not just in   MWGG

I know that you guys  are trying hard to make a faithfull port of this classic N64  game to the source engine    but  i think most players prefer  balance and equal playing field   over 100% fidelity 

Here's some  technical issues that i noticed  too


1) something weird must going on with the  sound engine,  explosions sound  clipped and distorted, especially when  you hear  3-4  mines go off  simultaneously, also when the music track is changing  i get a 2 second stutter before it loads the  next one, sometimes it happens  with explosion sounds too  i think

2)  i really like the new  damage system  even if i was  a AR33/rcp90/zmg whore back  in the older days   but i think  hit detection is  still not  100% optimal,   according to this official article http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Source_Multiplayer_Networking#Optimizations my settings  should be  rate 30000  cmdrate 101 updaterate 101  and cl_interp 0.02 for  100 tick servers and  30k/66/66 interp 0.03 for  66tick servers, i've found that these settings  work fine most of the time  but  i still  see some weird stuff going on, like  shooting  a moving player  with a golden gun  and  not killing him even if i  see his model  splashing blood  ( blood splashes  are clientside  i know  )  fortunately  i often  have the luxury  to hit him again, this time killing him :p  maybe I was playing on  crappy servers ?

3) I  cap my fps at  100  with the fps_max 101 cvar  and my framerate is most of the time very stable, unless i play on cradle  where it can even go below 55fps, this is big no-no for  66tick servers IMO  because if your fps drops lower than 66 then you   send  less updates per second  to the server than you should send  (  a am i wrong ? )  Is there a way to get  100fps  FIXED ? an unofficial fps config maybe ?    my current system for reference is an  E6600 @ 3.3 ghz  + 4gigs of ddr2  @ 740mhz +  evga gtx260 @  676/1158/1457  195.62 WHQL, should i try enabling  multicore  rendering the with cvar  mat_queue_mode "2" ?

thanks  again for you outstanding job, this total conversion   reminds me so much of my childhood, it makes me feel like a little kid  again :D

keefy:
I strongly recomed a higher rate than 30000 (30KB/sec) if you have faster than a 1Mbit download speed.
Multicore rendering is dissabled in OB mods and only supported for TF2 and L4D, basically official Valve games.

Nozzy06:
I agree on the laser bit for sure...at least some of it. No guns should ever lose their aim ability that would be ridiculous, and the Moonraker needs not more batteries it just needs a slower ROF and a bit less dmg. The GG however is perfectly fine...you can't decrease GG dmg or else it wouldn't be the GG anymore...not to mention if its easy for noobs to get good scores with it I don't see why anyone's complaining...if you are even half as good as the noob with the GG you can kill him and take it from him and do the same thing... the people who rage and leave are the people who suck at GE:S they can either keep practicing or quit playing.

SoFGR:
GG  should lose it's  aiming ability imo, every1 can  press shift and pick out targets in any range  quickly and with ease, but not any1  can do it  without crosshairs, damage is fine   i never  talked about decreasing it's  damage or sth.

Mangley:
These are bad and ill-thought out suggestions I'm afraid.

The Golden Gun is a precision weapon. It's The slowest firing gun in the game. There's no rational reason to remove red sights from it. Also aren't people equally likely to get frustrated when they pick it up and can't aim as they would be being owned by it? Same for laser really.

Rate of fire/battery nerf? In GE:S rate of fire does not equal the effectiveness of the weapon. Shoot too fast and many of your shots will not be effective because of the invulnerability period.

Armor spawning rate is customisable by the server. I believe there is a cvar for it. Also, learn how to kill an armor camper. Golden Gun in non-MWGG gametypes is part of weapon sets. Understand this: weapon sets are completely customisable by the server.

It's much more balanced than you realise. Your idea of balance is game-breaking.

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