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VC's Laboratory 100205: Goldfinger, First Draft

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CCsaint10:
Feedback like this shouldn't deter you from posting VC. Everyone deals with this kind of thing. Look at he mappers for instance, they get people saying "this is shitty, this is shitty, you need to fix this, I think you should do this blah blah blah" but that is what separates the awesome maps from the ok maps. I mean look at KM..he has had to redo so many things as well just because of critique from everyone. This isn't just trying to beat up on you. This scenario might become the greatest scenario of all of them JUST because it was REALLY thought out before put into action. Gotta be able to take constructive feedback man. :)

Wake[of]theBunT:

--- Quote from: CCsaint10 [bklax23] on February 07, 2010, 06:07:48 pm ---Feedback like this shouldn't deter you from posting VC. Gotta be able to take constructive feedback man. :)

--- End quote ---

Theres a bit of a difference in all fairness.

No one is critiquing a detailed concept, because there isnt one yet. They viewed the initial thoughts (notice : FIRST DRAFT) and are excitedly or skeptically throwing their ideas into the hat that wasn't offered up in the first place. In essence this aims to drive it elsewhere when nobody has even played, much less viewed it working in a test phase.

When this kind of early input is allowed, the final product can likely dissapoint those people who thought their idea was better, even though without having been given the insight, theyd probly think the the full concept VC creates is great.

Its like a book guys, lord of the rings first draft was probly mostly crap, but the entire world werent given the chance to be "editors" to getting it to be how successful it became.

V!NCENT:

--- Quote from: Viashino Cutthroat on February 07, 2010, 04:27:17 pm ---Seriously, though: I'm not going to publish my drafts anymore.  A scrap of notebook paper will do fine as a reminder to myself of what I was thinking about henceforth.
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Why so? Is it the critic?

I, for one (and I am not the only one), have not only expressed great confidence and potential for your idea, but also did some constructive critisism and this turned out to come to the conclusion that one brick per GG bullet would result in competetive gameplay.

We are not bashing your idea, VC. This discussion convinced KM for example that it would lead to competetive gameplay, which is great, right? And I didn't thought about it.

I also said it should be playtested because obviously it was hard/impossible for me to manage to predict if all the variables would, or would not, lead to a great balance of the mode.

Critisism, as long as it's constructive and not bashing instead, can improve your idea, as long as you are fine with being the main inventor and not the complete inventor.

And that is hard, because I always project my ideas really early on on forums and having to deal with the fact that somebody points out that some part has already been (partialy) done before, or something else will not work, kinda makes it steal away your 'baby'. But then things can leads to things that do work and in some cases makes me rethink things and end up with something way better than the original draft, which is why it is called a draft; it's subject to change ;) And this also makes me have to thing outside of the box and in other ways I would have never thought.

CCsaint10:
I really don't agree with the idea that feedback deters from the original.if anything it helps vc see all the possible options his idea and then some. To be honest I like vcs idea but I also like hearing everyones idea. Plus isn't the point of posting something like this to get ideas and thoughts from the community? Vc you come up with awesome ideas and have always been a master at gamemodes. Don't let this thread discourage you

Wake[of]theBunT:
I laid out my thoughts clearly.

The feedback people are saying, those people are expecting VC to agree and insert those changes/ideas ; Wether he likes it or not, because theve convinced themselves the concept is flawed without their wisdom. I dont believe he did set out to have a love-in of feedback, seems he was more creating a sense of hype and transparency about HIS proccess. Quite frankly i dont think he cares if anyone retorts his concept because its the first draft.

Since he is more a mastermind of these matters than anyone else here, he would have troubleshot any flaws in the draft by the time any of us even saw the final thing.

Look at my book analogy. Thats all there is to this matter. Seriously.

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