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The Beatles pwn j00!:
So profound! This is all talked about! There's nothing I can say that Christ hasn't said better. Perfectly, rather. I'm sorry if this hurts you. Yes, the truth hurts at first. Not only are we to love our neighbor, we are to love our enemies. And I do love you. And I pray that you will one day open your heart, that we may see each other for who we truly are in the kingdom to come. You can falsely accuse me of claiming superiority, or that I'm somehow disrespecting your rights. You chose to come to this thread, yes? Or that I'm somehow in the wrong. The saved are indeed to be hated by the world. Lied about and killed for no reason but speaking righteousness. This is all in The Bible. Your actions fit perfectly with what God has said. Glory!

Again, if you feel that you must lock this thread, by all means lock it.

Kinky:
I can assure you we will never "see each other for who we truly are in the kingdom to come."

You want to see me, come round my house and we can have a beer. Thats as good as its gonna get im afraid...

kraid:
Honnestly, were here because we love this game, not because we want to listen to a preaching.

If you're beliving in this, good. We tolerate your belives, but don't go on with argueing
about something which you have to belive in, to accept it as true.

Noone can proof weather or not a god exists. You have to belive.

But my main problem with religion (not only christian) is not this question, it's simply i don't belive any of them has the absolute truth in it.
It's used to manipulate and control ppl, used to get might and influence, used to justify atrocities.

Most ppl follow their religion just because they were raised with it.
If you were raised in a muslime or jewish country, you would probably belive in this religion.

If you ask me, it doesn't matter what's your belive, it's more about if you're willing to belive or not.

But I don't like it when ppl try to tell me what i should belive in. I rather search answeres myself.

IMO:
Take all the world religions, merge what they have in common and you're much closer to the true as any christian, muslime, jew, w/e could be.
All this rediculess stuff like celebrating certain days, singing certain prayers etc. doesn't matter at all.

BTW: JessEH, you sound like brain washed by some ultra hardcore christians.

jjmusicnotes:
JesseEH -

Self-piety is not an attractive trait to had.  Just because you have decided to grow in your relationship to God does not mean that you are morally superior, or that carrying an ego about it is the right way to behave.

You talk about how their hearts are hardened by the world, when really, your heart is hardened by your self-important religious prejudice.  If you really were sincere about your relationship with Christ, you would be welcoming to everyone, and try to bring Christ into people life's with a positive, welcoming, and loving attitude.  Instead, you are shaming everyone for not doing things the same way you do, and that's wrong.

I have a very strong moral compass, and while I don't claim to have any of the answers, I know that growing in a relationship with God is something that takes time, and is not instantaneous.

I think that killermonkey's response to your post was more than adequate, and while it may be a view that you may not necessarily agree with, you can, at the very least, respect it.

That all being said, this thread has the possibility to be a very healthy thread, where we discuss our viewpoints and explore what it is that we perceive to "know" about the universe.  People only change something about themselves if they want to change, so forcing anyone to do anything isn't going to work - especially when it comes to something so personal like religion / spirituality.

In this thread, people shouldn't be apprehensive to post for fear of being attacked or scrutinized. Instead, it would be nice if there were a polite, healthy, discussion where we respect without judging.

Kinky:
Nice to hear from someone who has faith and whose feet are still firmly on the floor...

I, and most others like me, have no problem with religion or religous people. As long as they understand that their faith is an inward journey that is for them alone. You can believe whatever you want to believe as long as it makes you happy. I only ask for the same in turn.

So go and be with God if you want. But ill be here doing something else. However, that shouldnt matter to you; if it does, then thats something wrong with you... not me

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