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[VC]

Poor Regular PP7 was never in Pistols, numbnuggets.

[Sergeant Kelly]

Well it totally should be.

[VC]

No, it shouldn't.

Classic Pistols:
DD44: 50 power, low accuracy, fast, 8 bullets.
PP7-S: 50 power, medium accuracy, fast, -1 bullet.
CMag: 100 power, rail accuracy, slow, -1 bullet.

If you add PP7-U, you're adding 50 power, almost-rail accuracy, fast, which means it is Yet Another 50 (adding nothing) and obsoletes PP7-S since there is no tradeoff except for the bang sound, which isn't a big issue in pistols.

Ag7 is the only other pistol to consider, since Au7 and AuG have their own little golden realm to play in.  Ag7 is 100 power, almost-rail accuracy, fast, and +2 bullets over CMag.  That sets them on opposing parity: CMag is slower, but even with fewer bullets, reloads less often than a spammed Ag7, and CMag has the greatest penetration factor available, so it can hit through doors at angles the Ag7 can't manage.


On a related note, I am considering buffing DD44 again.  Taking feedback from ragequitter Oil Leak, and general whining about DD44, I might find a way to improve it without throwing off balance, in a way that widens gameplay.  Not sure yet what I'm thinking about, but something is floating in the back of my mind.

[killermonkey]

I like where the DD44 lands at the moment. It's sloppy, but effective. If anything a damage increase of 10 points is all thats needed to ensure a take down with 3 well placed hits. I think the look and sound of the gun are well in line with it's performance as well.

BTW, as it stands 1 head, 2 chests yields death (160 dmg), 3 chests yields wounded (120 dmg)

W/ the 10 point buff, 3 chests yields critically wounded (150 dmg) which will almost guarantee victory on minor wounded foes.

This would overcome the near 3 times accuracy penalty from the PP7 (unsighted) and almost force an aimed use of the weapon to ensure you land those shots (since they are worth the time to aim).

[VC]

So far I've been thinking about either a hitbox scaling tweak (already done on certain weapons that needed a balance tweak, like shotties) or putting it on 70-power.  (Your suggestion is 62.5, which is not a Goldeneye Number)

The justification is that it makes it a pistol-complement to Phantom, like PP7/S is with D5K/S.  (They have parity on accuracy, noisiness, and magazine depth.)

Since the power-level of everything has gone up, and DD44 has already been given more of a sighted-fire boon than normal, that would let DD44 compete with other spammy guns, while keeping it poor at range.


Yeah; let's play with that.  Details in PM.