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Re: God and the universe...
« Reply #45 on: August 29, 2009, 05:01:24 pm »

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Re: God and the universe...
« Reply #46 on: August 29, 2009, 08:28:10 pm »

Science is faith yes, but imo KM explained it best why its faith is worth so much more to the thinking brain and the world we exist in. There is no flaw that is allowed to continue being believed.

science has about a trillian answers more than any other religion ; Thats why its taught in schools. This thought should convince any religious person that evolution IS the only explanation for how we came to be, but no? they gotta be douche bags and be all like "hey we can all believe what we want even if it crazily conflicts with a more comprehensive body of concept to how we are here, because afterall god makes me feel good, science doesnt even make me smile"

Thats why i believe that religious folk allow themselves to become stupid at the reward of contentment. They arent stupid at birth, evolution gave them a brain as anyone else that can function, and then they strayed off the logic path (probly because of traumatic stuff etc) to where they "need" faith in some special being to get them through life.

In my honest fucking opinion, listen to george carlins views on religion.

1. because they will entertain you
2. because you will be like..."true, sounds about right to me"
3. they arent words for or against the idea of religion, just logic counterthoughts to what religion tries to say
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Re: God and the universe...
« Reply #47 on: August 29, 2009, 10:31:39 pm »

In my honest fucking opinion, listen to george carlins views on religion.

1. because they will entertain you
2. because you will be like..."true, sounds about right to me"
3. they arent words for or against the idea of religion, just logic counterthoughts to what religion tries to say

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Re: God and the universe...
« Reply #48 on: August 29, 2009, 10:41:19 pm »

Thats why i believe that religious folk allow themselves to become stupid at the reward of contentment. They arent stupid at birth, evolution gave them a brain as anyone else that can function, and then they strayed off the logic path (probly because of traumatic stuff etc) to where they "need" faith in some special being to get them through life.


This is so true. People want to believe their religion so much at the sacrifice of logic...

I have my own view on heaven and hell. I believe that the bible is a GREAT way to live and model your life after, and upon doing such you are in a state of a mental heaven.
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Re: God and the universe...
« Reply #49 on: August 30, 2009, 12:21:53 am »


Incest was necessary in the beginning for obvious reasons. A short time later it was condemned by God. And this would be evident from the consequences this act NOW carries. As for everyone now being brother and sister... spiritually, yes. Genetically, no.




I hope noone thinks all Christians believe this, because that's just retarded. Glad we could type responses without someone calling religious people douchebags or stupid, and we're the ones who get called intolerant, good job. This topic should be closed/deleted, people get pissed when others try to disprove something personal to them. Plain and simple. I only answered in this thread because I feel it's important to stick up for your faith rather than fall in line with the "religious people are intolerant,racist,crazies" that the world is now plagued with or simply hide that many young people do today.
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Re: God and the universe...
« Reply #50 on: August 30, 2009, 01:29:40 am »

Disaster? Did people die because of it? Or... what?

Yes it's bound to cause some people anger, grief, confusion, frustration, etc.. It's a very serious topic, and one that shouldn't be ignored. Let people say what they want to say. If people are acting down right ugly and unruly, moderators should step in and restore order, so that mindful discussion/debate can continue. If the topic makes you uncomfortable just take a break, or just forget it exists.

Speaking of which, I'm gonna ignore this topic for a few days. I'm winded.

There is no possible conclusion to draw for this debate it's going on for centuries.  I could sit here and literally post thousands of scientific facts to back up my beliefs and you could do the same by quoting every scripture in the book or discussing intangible spiritual properties that have no rebuttal.  There will forever be two sides to this discussion and trying to convince someone in either camp to come over to your side is futile,  if someone has ever converted there belief system because of a internet forum discussion let me know.
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Re: God and the universe...
« Reply #51 on: August 30, 2009, 02:33:55 am »

There is no possible conclusion to draw for this debate it's going on for centuries.  I could sit here and literally post thousands of scientific facts to back up my beliefs and you could do the same by quoting every scripture in the book or discussing intangible spiritual properties that have no rebuttal.  There will forever be two sides to this discussion and trying to convince someone in either camp to come over to your side is futile,

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Extension of what I said earlier.
Course it's only a "disaster" when the flames start a flying.
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Re: God and the universe...
« Reply #52 on: August 30, 2009, 05:03:49 am »

OK, no need to throw around the ol' Douche-Bag comments. That is like opening up the flame throwing. We can all just pretend that post was never written.

However, he did mention my moniker and I would like to explain my first post which I reluctantly didn't after being baited to by Beatles on page 2 (i believe).

I think being an engineer, a serious scientist, and any other very physically minded profession is very relevant to the religious debate. There are definitely many religious engineers and scientists out there, but I think their believe in religion is VERY different then non-engineers/scientists.

I am an Electrical Engineer, a major that is barely over 100 years old, yet has ballooned into one of the most influential fields on earth today. Topics ranging from radio waves all the way to circuitry and control theory (my field) all give a piece to describing, mathematically and analytically, a lot of the "magic" things that happen on this planet and around the solar system and universe. It is almost impossible for me to accept the fact that there is an "intelligent designer" somewhere or a "great overseer", believe me I have tried. I have read a large majority of the bible as a child, (which by the way was NOT written by God, at least the New Testament, which is accounts from Jesus' disciples...), I went to Sunday school and even tried to believe, but there was always this nagging notion in the back of my mind that none of this really matters.

I am a huge fan of the medieval times because that is the time in human history when religion and the believe that all things that happened were tied to God, etc. We now look back on that time and realize how stupid those people were. The plague, for example, Which burnings, the inquisition, I can go on. Will our descendents look back on us in a thousand years and say the same thing? ABSOLUTELY. This is because the more we find out about WHY things happen in this world and around us, the LESS we need to rely on explaining it away with some "higher power".

This all ties into my Engineer comment because as an engineer I am constantly trying to discover why things work, understand the interactions in this world, and create new and exciting technologies with those understandings. I really have no room to rely on some unknown power to do things for me or guide me because it doesn't help my life whatsoever.

I am not being rude or whatever, I am just supporting my previous one sentence description.
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Re: God and the universe...
« Reply #53 on: December 02, 2009, 12:42:41 pm »

The unsaved are so bent on clinging to this life. They think reality only consists of what we can experience with our senses. They are only concerned with the here and now. Everything is mechanical and soulless to them. Meaningless. But it is only human. Our hearts are desperately wicked. Yet the Lord makes himself known in so many ways, that we might use our free will to turn from our sick nature and know him.

Many delude themselves to think they are basically good and happy, and that they have no need for God. But this is a lie. It's a facade. And you know it deep inside. You try to run from the pain. Hide it. Bury it. But it is always there. And only the Lord Jesus Christ can heal that pain. We even try to convince ourselves that the sickness in us is actually good. We feed the confusion. This world loves confusion. It IS confusion for those who hate the Lord. We make the hole bigger and bigger, running from the light. Some make it so big that they fall in. Like your friend Nickster. But even if the hole is small, you will still be thrown into the fire when you die. For God, in all his glorious perfection, cannot allow even the smallest hole in his presence. He has given you the remedy, and he has made it clear. You can't realize it with your small finite logic, but only with your eternal heart. Your true self.

The point is for us to choose either this world, or God and his perfect world to come. And the way he has set this up is flawless. We must choose him by faith. And when you do, you WILL know it, and you WILL see him in the world to come.

And what's all this about believers being stupid or inferior? You have no reason to say this, besides the sickness in your heart. You curse and hate, and you glory in it. Has embracing your darkness made you so smart, Sharp? Mac? Then show me how smart you are. Show me what good darkness has done for you. All I see is hate and arrogance.

In the couple years since I have sincerely accepted the Lord, I am slowly but surely changing. I have become aware of how detestable I once was (and still am). I have given up smoking cigarettes (it's been five months now). My thought life is becoming noble. Things that were once hazy are now becoming clear. What I feel is profound.

You need to keep your heart open. I too "tried" and "wanted" to believe as a child, but ended up thinking along the lines you guys are. The world hardened my heart, as it has yours. But any real understanding didn't start for me until recently. You've got to overcome your hardened hearts once more and see the light. Please pick up your Bible once more. And all of this is talked about IN the Bible! Ahh! It's so profound! All of these feelings you guys have, why we feel it, how we feel it, how we can overcome it, our situations, everything! True wisdom! It's all in there! So profound!

Please START with the New Testament, indeed, it all points to the Lord Jesus Christ. And how can you TRULY understand and use the wisdom in the Old Testament without first receiving the Holy Spirit?

I wish I had better words. Perhaps I will as time passes. The learning never ends.

(Rusky, why is it "retarded"? Perhaps I did say something foolish there. For we are new creations in Christ. But if you implying that believing in The Word, The Bible, is retarded then how can you claim to be Christian yet deny His Word? This is all too common, tragically. jjmusicnotes has also claimed to be with Christ yet has said things that may indicate otherwise. Perhaps you are saved, but just said something foolish. That can't be helped. As I said, the learning never ends, and we are still young in the faith.)
Anyway guys, just know this. I love you all. And there is indeed a God who loves you more than you can imagine.

I wish you true love and happiness. Not the joke the world has built. Am I "stupid" for this?
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Re: God and the universe...
« Reply #54 on: December 02, 2009, 01:10:33 pm »

There is no "darkness" in my heart.
I am happy
I choose this world
And i dont want love from "your God"

See the problem is people like you think that reading scripture and preaching to non believers is going to comfort us or make us "see the light".

Tbh mate... im somewhat insulted. If you want to believe in a higher power then thats all gravy. But dont try to tell me that my heart is hardened and that i have accepted darkness. That is pure BS and essentially you are saying that you are better than me for your beliefs. Doesnt your precious book tell you to love thy neightbour? ...then how about respecting our right to believe something different to you without cramming your beliefs down our throats.

This topic isnt going anywhere but into flames. It should be locked...
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Re: God and the universe...
« Reply #55 on: December 02, 2009, 01:25:56 pm »

So profound! This is all talked about! There's nothing I can say that Christ hasn't said better. Perfectly, rather. I'm sorry if this hurts you. Yes, the truth hurts at first. Not only are we to love our neighbor, we are to love our enemies. And I do love you. And I pray that you will one day open your heart, that we may see each other for who we truly are in the kingdom to come. You can falsely accuse me of claiming superiority, or that I'm somehow disrespecting your rights. You chose to come to this thread, yes? Or that I'm somehow in the wrong. The saved are indeed to be hated by the world. Lied about and killed for no reason but speaking righteousness. This is all in The Bible. Your actions fit perfectly with what God has said. Glory!

Again, if you feel that you must lock this thread, by all means lock it.
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Re: God and the universe...
« Reply #56 on: December 02, 2009, 01:39:17 pm »

I can assure you we will never "see each other for who we truly are in the kingdom to come."

You want to see me, come round my house and we can have a beer. Thats as good as its gonna get im afraid...
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Re: God and the universe...
« Reply #57 on: December 02, 2009, 01:39:46 pm »

Honnestly, were here because we love this game, not because we want to listen to a preaching.

If you're beliving in this, good. We tolerate your belives, but don't go on with argueing
about something which you have to belive in, to accept it as true.

Noone can proof weather or not a god exists. You have to belive.

But my main problem with religion (not only christian) is not this question, it's simply i don't belive any of them has the absolute truth in it.
It's used to manipulate and control ppl, used to get might and influence, used to justify atrocities.

Most ppl follow their religion just because they were raised with it.
If you were raised in a muslime or jewish country, you would probably belive in this religion.

If you ask me, it doesn't matter what's your belive, it's more about if you're willing to belive or not.

But I don't like it when ppl try to tell me what i should belive in. I rather search answeres myself.

IMO:
Take all the world religions, merge what they have in common and you're much closer to the true as any christian, muslime, jew, w/e could be.
All this rediculess stuff like celebrating certain days, singing certain prayers etc. doesn't matter at all.

BTW: JessEH, you sound like brain washed by some ultra hardcore christians.
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Re: God and the universe...
« Reply #58 on: December 02, 2009, 01:46:04 pm »

JesseEH -

Self-piety is not an attractive trait to had.  Just because you have decided to grow in your relationship to God does not mean that you are morally superior, or that carrying an ego about it is the right way to behave.

You talk about how their hearts are hardened by the world, when really, your heart is hardened by your self-important religious prejudice.  If you really were sincere about your relationship with Christ, you would be welcoming to everyone, and try to bring Christ into people life's with a positive, welcoming, and loving attitude.  Instead, you are shaming everyone for not doing things the same way you do, and that's wrong.

I have a very strong moral compass, and while I don't claim to have any of the answers, I know that growing in a relationship with God is something that takes time, and is not instantaneous.

I think that killermonkey's response to your post was more than adequate, and while it may be a view that you may not necessarily agree with, you can, at the very least, respect it.

That all being said, this thread has the possibility to be a very healthy thread, where we discuss our viewpoints and explore what it is that we perceive to "know" about the universe.  People only change something about themselves if they want to change, so forcing anyone to do anything isn't going to work - especially when it comes to something so personal like religion / spirituality.

In this thread, people shouldn't be apprehensive to post for fear of being attacked or scrutinized. Instead, it would be nice if there were a polite, healthy, discussion where we respect without judging.
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Re: God and the universe...
« Reply #59 on: December 02, 2009, 02:15:39 pm »

Nice to hear from someone who has faith and whose feet are still firmly on the floor...

I, and most others like me, have no problem with religion or religous people. As long as they understand that their faith is an inward journey that is for them alone. You can believe whatever you want to believe as long as it makes you happy. I only ask for the same in turn.

So go and be with God if you want. But ill be here doing something else. However, that shouldnt matter to you; if it does, then thats something wrong with you... not me
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