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[Aura89]

The delay is negligable because hitsounds work the same way.

Hitsounds only play when the player takes damage, or...hitsounds play the same way that blood goes (aka, will play a hit sound even though they didn't take damage)?

[keefy]

Hitsounds are server side so they only play when the enemy takes damage and when they do play it is instant or as i said negligable delay.

[Aura89]

Hitsounds are server side so they only play when the enemy takes damage.

Ah, so making the blood only occur if damage is actually taken may cause a "delay", but, in my opinion, it would really only line up with how everything else is being done, and really making it "better"

[keefy]

As i said The delay is negliagable or at least it is with hitsounds, not sure how it would react with the blood although  I cannot see it being any worse than the hitsounds. Why would it?
I aint no netcode programmer motha.

[PPK]

What are your priorities for Beta 4? You certainly are going to focus on something, like maps or characters, or are you going to go Swiss Army Knife-like (i.e. try to focus on everything)?

Can one of the devs please answer my question?

[Kinky]

I am under the impression that beta 4 will be a flood of new content... definately i would say expect more maps, characters and weapons. More than this...i cannot say

[Ruone Delacroix]

Sure you could. We won't tell.

[coolDisguise]

Well, another thing why you would experience it (blood without an actual hit) less often in other source games is maybe that the hitboxes of the other games are fubar-ed.

As someone stated: the engine calculates (client side) if you could (chance to hit!) have hit your enemy. If the hitbox is large enough like in most source games (and by that I mean it's ridiculously large compared to how it really should be, fitting the character) you would barely see a difference between hitting your enemy and blood. But this also means that sometimes you would die for no reason, because you would be already behind a pillar or some wall and your hitbox is still hanging where you were walking before.

[killermonkey]

Thats actually a really good point coolDisguise. The hitboxes for GES are sized to the character, and pretty tightly too. If you ever get a chance to look at TF2's hit boxes, you will gawk at the absurd size of them.

[coolDisguise]

For those who have never seen hitboxes yet, they look like this

(I guess it's from TF2, at least the title here says something like that)
or like that

whereas the boxes of the second picture (I guess it's L4D) look good.

Conclusing: I prefer smaller hitboxes since you wouldn't "randomly" die resp. "for no reason" when someone hits any of your boxes.

[VC]

lol, wth is that first image from? Looks like crap.

Anyway, most source hitboxes are pretty good, geometrically speaking, but you can usually find a really bizzare anomaly if you look for one.


Grabbin' pills!

[keefy]

Indeed, if at an angle similar to the top pic there is a much larger surface are to hit than if square on.  thats why Quake4 hitboxes are octagonal mind you quake hitboxes are jsut one big box.

lol, wth is that first image from? Looks like crap.

Anyway, most source hitboxes are pretty good, geometrically speaking, but you can usually find a really bizzare anomaly if you look for one.


Grabbin' pills!

[VC]

Source uses rectangular prisms, but they're generally well-fitting.  Notable exceptions are the CSS T hitboxes on the arctic skin. When they added the new model, the boxes were wildly wrong.

[eamonn]

I'd like an invisibility mode, where the players are invisible but you can see them on the radar. Or maybe that'd just be crap.

[thesoilmoose]

SLAPS! get that knife out of there! SLAPS FOR THE WIN!