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Debriefing => Off-Topic Lounge => Topic started by: mbsurfer on January 26, 2012, 01:06:12 am
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Bad news.... my Geforce 8800gtx fried a week and a half ago.
Good news.... that card is 3 years old and I ordered MY NEW RIG :D
CASE: CoolerMaster Elite 430 Mid-Tower
CPU: i7-960 3.20 GHz 8M LGA1366
FAN: CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Evo
HDD: 2x 1TB SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 32MB Cache 7200RPM //Don't want SSD... yet ;-)
MOBO: GigaByte G1.Sniper LGA 1366 x58 Intel
PSU: 850 Watts - Raidmax RX-850AE 80 Plus Gold
RAM: 8GB (4GBx2) DDR3/1600MHz G.Skill Ripsaws X
VIDEO: Nvidia GeForce GTX 560 Ti 1.2GB 448 Core
EXTRAS: Internal 12in1 Flash Media Reader/Writer
inb4 Y U NO GET [insert other hardware here]?!? ITSO MUCH BETTER!!
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Old rigs've been dropping like flies around here.
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I'd like to build a new system, my current one is going on 4 years old. However, I can't justify spending on the money on one when this one still runs like a champ and I really don't play any hardware stressing games anyways. I just like putting a computer together and the feeling of fast.
There is the possibility of building a media box that I can connect to the big TV in the living room so I can stream movies to it or emulation. I can connect my laptop to it, but it's too much hassle compared to a dedicated box.
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Sounds like a pretty beastly system. I hope you get somma dat BF3 so you can make use of it.
I better warn you though, if you have one of those gigantic monitors even your 560 is going to have a little trouble with it. My quad-core, GTX 460 machine was running fine at 1400x900 on all high, but now that I've upgraded to 1920x1200 it gets choppy unless it's at medium.
Additionally, you could have waited a month or two for Nvidia's 600 series cards to come out. You would have seen a nice price drop for your 560!
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Was unaware I had a problem. I'll have to look into that now.
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Why should i upgrade my system, soon we all will have "unlimited graphics power"... LOL
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I always buy order my rigs with the "OMG you're never going to need that fast x and large y"-mindset.
So my rig is now 4 years old, and it's still pro.
-8GB of RAM;
-HD5770 (fried the 4890x2, but the 5770 is much faster); ([size=78%]Onboard 3300 for the lulz)[/size]
-AMD Phenom 9950 (B3 stepping) x4; ("AMD all the way")
-1TB HDD.
In the end you'll safe money because your system lasts longer.
I'm wondering why you didn't buy 16GB of ram and a little cheaper CPU? RAM always seems an afterthought to people, while a shitload of fast, realy expensive RAM can beat a much faster CPU with less and slower RAM. It is, after all, the Cache bottleneck in computing:
CPU: "Hey RAM, gimme that"
RAM: "H-hold on a sec... oh maybe it's on the HDD..."
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Sounds like a pretty beastly system. I hope you get somma dat BF3 so you can make use of it.
Already got it ;) Add me on Origin: mbsurfer or mbsurf3r can't remember.
Additionally, you could have waited a month or two for Nvidia's 600 series cards to come out. You would have seen a nice price drop for your 560!
Yeah, but I needed a home system for college fast.
I'm wondering why you didn't buy 16GB of ram and a little cheaper CPU?
Yeah, ram is cheap at the moment. I might spend the extra ~$80 in a few weeks if I get my tutoring position at school :D
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Bad news.... my Geforce 8800gtx fried a week and a half ago.
Good news.... that card is 3 years old and I ordered MY NEW RIG :D
CASE: CoolerMaster Elite 430 Mid-Tower
CPU: i7-960 3.20 GHz 8M LGA1366
FAN: CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Evo
HDD: 2x 1TB SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 32MB Cache 7200RPM //Don't want SSD... yet ;-)
MOBO: GigaByte G1.Sniper LGA 1366 x58 Intel
PSU: 850 Watts - Raidmax RX-850AE 80 Plus Gold
RAM: 8GB (4GBx2) DDR3/1600MHz G.Skill Ripsaws X
VIDEO: Nvidia GeForce GTX 560 Ti 1.2GB 448 Core
EXTRAS: Internal 12in1 Flash Media Reader/Writer
inb4 Y U NO GET [insert other hardware here]?!? ITSO MUCH BETTER!!
why do they say that getting an i7 is a dumbass idea when an i5 can be faster..
if an i7 is faster than the i5 and is overclockable, i say its worth it.
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Don't listen to Vincent, your cpu will always be waiting no matter how much you spend. You are better off getting solid mid-grade ram and overclocking. 16 GB is also a waste. 8 GB will ensure you never see more than 60% utilization.
Credentials: I upgrade and overclock biannually
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Don't listen to Vincent, your cpu will always be waiting no matter how much you spend.
What? That's not what I said and it's not true. It's just that a little slower model plus the saved money one can spend on faster RAM can mean faster performance with unrepetative OS tasks (for the rest there is caching meganisms all over the place).
16 GB is also a waste.
90's: "Sir... A ten MEGABYTE harddrive! You'll never fill it up in a lifetime!" and also software caching.
Credentials: I upgrade and overclock biannually
I do technical computing (embedded systems) and learn shit like CPU design, OS architecture and assembly stuff. LOL. I know what I'm talking about... Besides: benchmarks are fuck all when it comes to the overal complexity of modern OS design and there's a lot more to a responsive system and overal performance than just linear (albeit parallel) tasks.
PS: So not to come over as arrogant, I'll give you an example: Battlefield 3. That shit's extremely GPU intensive, right? Wrong! Although GPU's these days are faster than console when you program them directly (almost avoiding drivers), there are like ten layers of abstraction to plow through. So how does that work? Remeber Rage for example. It had shitty performance right? Wrong! Graphics library drivers (like OpenGL and DirectX) are so shitty programmed that per-pixel texture lookup actualy does *Load entire tile->decompress->loockup pixel (not in a blitting way)->return pixel value->process*. That's all across the board.
So how do modern GPU API drivers work? Well there is only one single driver out there that realy talks to the GPU. It's a intermediate representation layer that consists of an abstract descriptive language that the CPU is constantly JIT compiling and sending to the actual GPU. All other drivers like CUDA, OpenCL, OpenGL, OpenGL ES, Direct3D (and so forth), shit out API to IR (Intermediate Repressentation) abstraction language that is then JIT compiled by the CPU.
Guess how much this hurts when CPU caching can't keep up? Guess where the performance is determined by? RAM mostly. But we're not out of the woods yet.
The memmory management of the GPU is done by the CPU queing and memmory management driver (which is why there are more than one GPU driver in the Windows NT and Gallium3D (Linux, mostly) architecture. This is all, too, handled by the CPU and onces again limited by the RAM speed.
And we're not there yet, because the user level drivers like graphics API drivers all need to constantly switch between kernel calls and userlevel calls. If you're interested in this terror: in Windows 7 open the task manager, go to perfomance -> view -> click "Show Kernel Times"and see how half the CPU load is red at allmost all times: this is (for example win32) API->Kernel calls. Oh yes we have to also digg through that shit.
I hope you'll understand now why your $99999 rig is just a little faster than a medieval aged Xbox360 that is directly programmed without all these layers of abstraction and constant CPU<->RAM operations. No these console ports are not shitty.
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And here we go again.
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Yeah, but I needed a home system for college fast.
Haha, that's why I bought mine too. I ended up dorming though, so the gfx card I bought just ended up getting old while I slaved away at Java projects on a laptop. :P
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And here we go again.
lol and thats why i love this forum.
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As long as you can play Modern Warfare 3 what else matters, V!NCENT?
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Don't listen to Vincent, your cpu will always be waiting no matter how much you spend. You are better off getting solid mid-grade ram and overclocking. 16 GB is also a waste. 8 GB will ensure you never see more than 60% utilization.
Credentials: I upgrade and overclock biannually
I went from a amd athlon 4200 x2 to a amd phenom x2 555 and easily can run any game on high settings.
I have 4GBs and never went pass 2GB.
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Ram is probably the easiest (and cheapest) "serious" hardware upgrade, so it's not a big deal how much you start out with if you get some extra sticks a few weeks later.
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I do technical computing (embedded systems) and learn shit like CPU design, OS architecture and assembly stuff. LOL. I know what I'm talking about... Besides: benchmarks are fuck all when it comes to the overal complexity of modern OS design and there's a lot more to a responsive system and overal performance than just linear (albeit parallel) tasks.
And? I have a Bachelors and Masters in Electrical Engineering. I have taken and aced semiconductor physics. I have been building computers for 15 years and made it through the 10 megabyte is god 90's.
1. Why buy 16 GB now when you don't need it. RAM is easily extended LATER when, and if, you do need it. So, like I said, buying 16 GB is a waste.
2. Yes you did say spend more to make the CPU wait less.
while a shitload of fast, realy expensive RAM can beat a much faster CPU with less and slower RAM.
A shitload of excess RAM doesn't make your system any faster if its unused. Buying a CPU with the largest on-die cache (L1/L2) is the best approach since the CPU will try to prefetch as much from the RAM data as possible for it's operations. Spend your money there and on a good motherboard which will allow you to overclock cheaper 1600 MHz RAM to 2000 MHz. Which is exactly what I did and saved over $100 on RAM.
3. What you erroneously refer to the RAM speed in your diatribe is actually the Front Side Bus (FSB) speed of the MOTHERBOARD. This is the heart pulse of the computer and dictates how fast everything can communicate. You can easily overclock RAM to MATCH the faster FSB of a good motherboard.
Here's a marketing hint for you, VINCENT!, when a company sells you ram that is marked 2000x Ultra Mega Gaming RAM, ZOMG!!!, they are just selling you the SAME EXACT RAM as the cheapest variant (1600 cool RAM) except they have run the ZOMG ram through more tests to guarantee consistent performance.
This is the same exact marketing that CPU manufacturers use. They sell the same exact die architecture for chips that range from $200 to $800. The only difference is the location on the silcon wafer that the chip was made, the more desirable the location the MORE PROBABLE the CPU will perform to its rated standard for the rated time period.
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I have a Bachelors and Masters in Electrical Engineering. I have taken and aced semiconductor physics. I have been building computers for 15
3. What you erroneously refer to the RAM speed in your diatribe is actually the Front Side Bus (FSB) speed of the MOTHERBOARD. This is the heart pulse of the computer and dictates how fast everything can communicate. You can easily overclock RAM to MATCH the faster FSB of a good motherboard.
Masters in Electrical Engineering eh? interesting... Funny thing is my brothers friend also has a masters in EE and he works in a airplane factory making engines and all the stuff he learned in school, doesn't apply to his work. All he just does is design and build engines, parts etc..poor kid. I guess the degree was the only thing that landed him a well paying job.
Speaking of FSB...
I have this motherboard http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=2539#ov Rev2.0
I upgraded to the amd phenom x2 555 am3
on gigabytes website they say
"*Note: If you install AMD AM3/AM2+ CPU on AM2 motherbord, the system bus speed will downgrade from HT3.0(5200MHz) to HT1.0(2000 MT/s) spec; however, the frequency of AM3/AM2+ CPU will not be impacted."
Is this why my pc suck ballz?
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Z0mg RAM -_- It's about the on die memmory controller of a specific CPU, in combinations with timings, number of RAM slots used, etc. No shit...
I prefetch all my shit in my RAM so loading is never an issue. Maybe you should too?
Besides, the point of buying a fast PC is to make sure you can still use it past the usual three year upgrade cycle. But if you can find the exact RAM dimms with the exactly richt timing that your CPU performes best with, the lucky you.
And if you know so much about CPU and OS design, then you should know that if you do anything at all on your PC, then the CPU is almost never waiting, except when there is nothing to do (and you're not running Windows, because then the kernel is ticking all the time), but then it's not realy usefull, now is it? Those CPU load figures do not mean that the CPU is waiting half of the time. If you think that the CPU is waiting for some HDD operation then that is sort of correct, but while it's doing that it is actually doing something else in the mean time.
Ofcourse there are semi-realtime tickless OS's (unlike Windows, BTW) that actually make the CPU do nothing at all, but that's a different story, because we're talking about computer speed and thus load.
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Bad news.... my Geforce 8800gtx fried a week and a half ago.
Good news.... that card is 3 years old and I ordered MY NEW RIG :D
CASE: CoolerMaster Elite 430 Mid-Tower
CPU: i7-960 3.20 GHz 8M LGA1366
FAN: CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Evo
HDD: 2x 1TB SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 32MB Cache 7200RPM //Don't want SSD... yet ;-)
MOBO: GigaByte G1.Sniper LGA 1366 x58 Intel
PSU: 850 Watts - Raidmax RX-850AE 80 Plus Gold
RAM: 8GB (4GBx2) DDR3/1600MHz G.Skill Ripsaws X
VIDEO: Nvidia GeForce GTX 560 Ti 1.2GB 448 Core
EXTRAS: Internal 12in1 Flash Media Reader/Writer
inb4 Y U NO GET [insert other hardware here]?!? ITSO MUCH BETTER!!
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/gaming/mice-keyboard-combos/devices/optical-gaming-mouse-g400
get that!
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http://www.logitech.com/en-us/gaming/mice-keyboard-combos/devices/optical-gaming-mouse-g400
get that!
Ahem, ahem. I think upgrades are in order.
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/for-business/products/mice/devices/9427
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Ahem, ahem. I think upgrades are in order.
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/for-business/products/mice/devices/9427 (http://www.logitech.com/en-us/for-business/products/mice/devices/9427)
Hmm, that one or this one.
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/gaming/mice-keyboard-combos/devices/wireless-gaming-mouse-g700 (http://www.logitech.com/en-us/gaming/mice-keyboard-combos/devices/wireless-gaming-mouse-g700)
*been considering*
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Hmm, that one or this one.
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/gaming/mice-keyboard-combos/devices/wireless-gaming-mouse-g700 (http://www.logitech.com/en-us/gaming/mice-keyboard-combos/devices/wireless-gaming-mouse-g700)
*been considering*
Just get the G500, upgraded version of the MX518 http://www.logitech.com/en-us/gaming/mice-keyboard-combos/devices/gaming-mouse-g500 (http://www.logitech.com/en-us/gaming/mice-keyboard-combos/devices/gaming-mouse-g500) it's also wired, which is better.
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Just get the G500, upgraded version of the MX518 http://www.logitech.com/en-us/gaming/mice-keyboard-combos/devices/gaming-mouse-g500 (http://www.logitech.com/en-us/gaming/mice-keyboard-combos/devices/gaming-mouse-g500) it's also wired, which is better.
The G400 is the new mx518
http://www.techspot.com/news/44177-logitech-mx518-gets-long-deserved-successor-g400.html
when did the G500 come out? I never even knew this wtf
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I actually just bought a G400 in November. Funny how you mentioned that hahah.
And my girlfriend bought me a G19 for Christmas so no need to worry about a keyboard either :D
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Long story short, last build didn't work out, luckily I cancelled it in time.
New rig, part deux:
CASE: LIAN LI Lancool PC-K62 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112239)
CPU: Intel Core i7-2700K Sandy Bridge 3.5GHz (3.9GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115095)
FAN: ZALMAN CNPS9500A-LED 92mm 2 Ball (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118223)
HDD: 2x Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136284)
MOBO: ASUS P8P67 DELUXE (REV 3.0) LGA 1155 Intel P67 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131701)
PSU: CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX750 V2 750W ATX12V 80 Plus Bronze Certified
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139021)RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231428)
VIDEO: EVGA 012-P3-1570-AR GeForce GTX 570 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130593)
EXTRAS: LITE-ON DVD Burner (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106289)
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Nice looking build, but I would have swapped the CPU with a2600k and overclocked to 2700k speeds if I needed to.
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2700K you can swap out for the 2600K and save a few bucks. Thats a decent mobo, but the P67 series is being disco'd, wont really matter as Intel is once again going to change the socket next year :/
I have 2x the same video card, it can get loud.