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Title: Application for Orchestrator
Post by: jjmusicnotes on February 18, 2009, 12:31:30 am


The purpose of this post is to let the resident composers of this project know that my services are available for orchestration.  If the composers wish to have a particular piece of music from the movie, from the video game, or a re-orchestration of music that has currently been written, I would be more than happy to offer my services.

I am not offering to contribute original music as it seems that that area is sufficiently covered.

Upon request, I can further detail my qualifications if necessary.

Please let me know if interested.


thanks,


jjmusicnotes
Title: Re: Application for Orchestrator
Post by: JcFerggy on February 18, 2009, 01:19:18 am
Could we see some of your work?
Title: Re: Application for Orchestrator
Post by: Sp1nn3y on February 18, 2009, 01:21:18 am
Could we see some of your work?

hear*
*Could we hear some of your work?*

;-)
Title: Re: Application for Orchestrator
Post by: VC on February 18, 2009, 01:25:02 am
Could we fondle some of your work?
Title: Re: Application for Orchestrator
Post by: Wake[of]theBunT on February 18, 2009, 01:33:01 am
could we work over some of your work? wordk
Title: Re: Application for Orchestrator
Post by: JcFerggy on February 18, 2009, 01:41:59 am
-Moderating-
Was any of that needed? If any forum should be kept a little more serious than the others, it should be this one.

I know that you would "hear" music, but it's not as if I meant anything different by it. Go to the Off-Topic Lounge if you guys want to joke around.

So back on topic, can you post some of your work?
Title: Re: Application for Orchestrator
Post by: Loafie, Hero of Dreams on February 18, 2009, 02:22:54 am
If your work smells I will have none of it
Title: Re: Application for Orchestrator
Post by: Sergeant Kelly on February 18, 2009, 02:26:21 am
-Moderating-
Was any of that needed? If any forum should be kept a little more serious than the others, it should be this one.

I know that you would "hear" music, but it's not as if I meant anything different by it. Go to the Off-Topic Lounge if you guys want to joke around.

So back on topic, can you post some of your work?
Both VC and Wake are high ranking GE:S team members. I don't think they're the type who need moderating. :P
Title: Re: Application for Orchestrator
Post by: VC on February 18, 2009, 02:51:56 am
Consider this a sense-of-humour test.

Don't you hate it when your taco shell cracks and dumps all over your plate?
Title: Re: Application for Orchestrator
Post by: JcFerggy on February 18, 2009, 02:52:55 am
Both VC and Wake are high ranking GE:S team members. I don't think they're the type who need moderating. :P
I quite understand that, but if a cop or a judge starting urinating on people in the street, should it be okay since they have a higher ranking in society?

Besides, I didn't give them a mark on their account, I just want them to give jjmusicnotes the respect that we would give any other member trying out for the team, and not asking to have sexual relations with his work.

-EDIT-

Consider this a sense-of-humour test.

Don't you hate it when your taco shell cracks and dumps all over your plate?

Yes, that's why I prefer wraps with my tacos.
Title: Re: Application for Orchestrator
Post by: VC on February 18, 2009, 03:00:42 am
We need to find out if his work is spongeworthy, then we can consider sexual relations.

Aural sex.  HAWT.
Title: Re: Application for Orchestrator
Post by: jjmusicnotes on February 18, 2009, 03:22:48 am
first of all, i'm surprised at how quickly you guys responded to my post, very cool.

second, i'll take a wrap any day, it's so much easier than having to improvise a "taco salad" when you spill stuff all over the place.

thirdly, "aural sex" -- i rofl'd so hard my ptly mlkj'd into a parked car and died.


Ok, so now that those things have been tended to, I felt I should respond once more before I post links to any of my work - to give a better idea of my meaning.

The work I do primarily involves instruments of the standard (and non-standard) orchestra, so the examples posted will demonstrate use of which.  I know that Audix and basstronix pretty much have the electronic aspect of the music for this mod down, but I thought I could provide some help with instrumentation.

I've always loved James Bond music, and I just thought you guys might like some orchestral stuff.

So, I hope this gives a little bit better of an idea before I post any links, as I don't wish to waste any of the team's time.  If the team has decided that this may be helpful to you, please let me know, and I'll post a couple links to some examples of actual orchestrations I've done, and some orchestrations of original material.

Thanks,

jjmusicnotes

Title: Re: Application for Orchestrator
Post by: JcFerggy on February 18, 2009, 03:49:00 am
I would still like to hear some of your stuff, and I do have fair amount of time on my hands. So ya, post away!
Title: Re: Application for Orchestrator
Post by: jjmusicnotes on February 18, 2009, 05:03:52 am
Here is one example of some of the type of work I can do.  Below is the following link to the original End Credits (part 2) of the Black Mesa Source mod.  The original composer is Joe Nielsen.

http://s56452.gridserver.com/media/music/BMS-06-end_credits.mp3

I thought it could use a bit of extra color, so I transcribed it, and re-orchestrated it for abbreviated orchestra. Hope you enjoy.

http://www.4shared.com/file/88229204/ff197a31/BMS_-_End_Credits_Smooth.html


Let me know what you think.


**On a side note**

This was done six months ago, and I'm now pursuing a degree in music.

Title: Re: Application for Orchestrator
Post by: Konrad Beerbaum on February 18, 2009, 05:13:34 am
Hey, thanks for applying.  Basstronix and Audix are our music guys, so they'll be the ones to critique your work and let you know whats up. 
Title: Re: Application for Orchestrator
Post by: Jonathan [Spider] on February 18, 2009, 05:55:04 am
I'm a sucker for violins, so you got my vote.
Title: Re: Application for Orchestrator
Post by: basstronix on February 18, 2009, 05:56:52 am
Both Audix and I haven listened to your work, and while we're impressed both by the original and your take on it, we really don't see how an orchestra would fit in this mod.  All of the music is electronic in nature so as to fit with the past paced action of the game.  The closest we got to a film score was, unfortunately, Golden Pie.  Audix can throw in his 2 cents.
Title: Re: Application for Orchestrator
Post by: Sole Signal [Audix] on February 18, 2009, 06:24:44 am
That original Black Mesa track is awesome. Thanks for the link. Yours is quite good, too, though the volume is REALLY quiet. Reminds me a lot of Oblivion; unfortunately that soundtrack wouldn't fit GoldenEye and if the track that you posted is representative of your work I don't think it would mesh well with GoldenEye either. It's hard to imagine fragging people to something like this.

I would like to hear more of your work, though. Please post a few more pieces you've done, perhaps with a quicker tempo and a bit more engaging. (Also MP3 this time! ;))

Title: Re: Application for Orchestrator
Post by: Sean [Baron] on February 18, 2009, 07:26:50 am
Always nice to watch slow motion videos of fragging with music like this though ;)
Title: Re: Application for Orchestrator
Post by: drukqaddik on February 18, 2009, 07:33:27 am
kinda more like montage music. "gotta have a montage....(a montage)"
Title: Re: Application for Orchestrator
Post by: jjmusicnotes on February 18, 2009, 05:30:47 pm
As I mentioned in my second post, the piece I posted was representative of some of my technical skills, not the type of music I do.

For example, if you guys have some fast-paced music that you want to re-use, but want it to sound different, and not go through the process of making a completely new track, I can do a re-orchestration of it for different styles.

e.g. - I can do fast, slow, lop-sided, etc etc.

Sorry about the volume, I can fix that.

Also, I posted in .wav because of the higher quality and I believe .wav is also more friendly in hammer.  But if you guys want Mp3, that's no problem.


*edit*

perhaps if either audix or basstronix has a request of something fast-paced, i could do a re-orchestration of it to provide a little bit better of an example.
Title: Re: Application for Orchestrator
Post by: VC on February 18, 2009, 06:49:32 pm
I'm confused.

It sounds like you say you want to help but that you only want to assist.  It's like, you don't want to be creative directly but only augment, while the whole enterprise of making music for GES is about augmenting the traditional James Bond themes.  So you want to remix remixes?

How about this: Play a few games on Temple Classic (once Valve fixes the server list, or fire up a localhost and get some pubbers in there) with the music turned off, and then give us a few bars of what music you would set that level to.  Let the map and the gameplay be your guide, rather than being handed someone else's completed music and being given license to fiddle.
Title: Re: Application for Orchestrator
Post by: basstronix on February 18, 2009, 07:26:44 pm
I like what VC's doing there.
Title: Re: Application for Orchestrator
Post by: jjmusicnotes on February 19, 2009, 02:12:06 am
That's a very good idea Cutthroat, I'll download beta 3 and play the level a few times through.

I'm very sorry about the confusion.  I would like to fix this by saying that I would love to help with music for this mod.

I'll get started right away.
Title: Re: Application for Orchestrator
Post by: Wake[of]theBunT on February 19, 2009, 05:20:36 am
I think that as long as it does not hit on 'electronica' elements at all, it could be kickass to see at least one showing and then the sound guys would decide on a trial. Having 3 versions of some levels to choose from..lol actually In essence by the end of production there would be 4 variations in lots of levels lol

basstronix
audix
orchestral
classic (me lord willing)
Title: Re: Application for Orchestrator
Post by: Sole Signal [Audix] on February 19, 2009, 09:01:03 am
The problem with straight orchestral tracks is that you really have to have good samples (and sometimes more importantly, know your way around them) to get them to sound convincing. Just having orchestral tracks for the sake of having orchestral tracks isn't a good idea. They still have to fit the feel of the game.

Unlike my Casino track fail, which made me fall asleep in my chair:
www.audixmusic.com/GESource/casino.mp3
Title: Re: Application for Orchestrator
Post by: drukqaddik on February 19, 2009, 09:03:43 am
i think it would be a good idea to have the tracks played at random. sometimes i play the same map multiple times and the music kinda gets stale.
Title: Re: Application for Orchestrator
Post by: Sole Signal [Audix] on February 19, 2009, 09:04:38 am
That feature will be implemented in Beta 4. At least two unique tracks will rotate per map.
Title: Re: Application for Orchestrator
Post by: drukqaddik on February 19, 2009, 09:09:00 am
awesome i tend to play a map with diff game modes in rotation b4 the map rotation

cash 4 rep
Title: Re: Application for Orchestrator
Post by: Sp1nn3y on February 19, 2009, 09:09:37 am
i think it would be a good idea to have the tracks played at random. sometimes i play the same map multiple times and the music kinda gets stale.

Yeah after a few good hours of gameplay and the same maps over and over i just turn it real low...

That feature will be implemented in Beta 4. At least two unique tracks will rotate per map.

Sweeeeet another reason to turn music back on >.>
Title: Re: Application for Orchestrator
Post by: jjmusicnotes on February 19, 2009, 01:15:44 pm
So, would I be accurate in thinking that you guys are saying that If I can write something that fits with the game, and it sounds convincing enough, you guys would use orchestral music?

Below is an excerpt from Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov's Capriccio demonstrating the quality of the instruments in the program I use.

http://www.4shared.com/file/88448013/9a477b65/Rimsky_Korsakov_-_Capriccio.html


Title: Re: Application for Orchestrator
Post by: Jeron [SharpSh00tah] on February 19, 2009, 02:25:35 pm
you deffinately have the skill my man, no doubt about that. however what we are asking is to go to a map in game, turn the music off and compose a track to how you feel the track should sound!
Title: Re: Application for Orchestrator
Post by: jjmusicnotes on February 19, 2009, 08:31:30 pm
Thank you very much for the compliment, something is already in the works, and I will have something completed within a few weeks (going home for spring break so I won't have access to my computer.)
Title: Re: Application for Orchestrator
Post by: Sean [Baron] on February 19, 2009, 08:36:45 pm
Look forward to hearing what you got in store for us. :)
Title: Re: Application for Orchestrator
Post by: Jeron [SharpSh00tah] on February 19, 2009, 08:41:42 pm
Thank you very much for the compliment, something is already in the works, and I will have something completed within a few weeks (going home for spring break so I won't have access to my computer.)

anytime man. MAKE IT SNAPPY! cant wait to hear ;)
Title: Re: Application for Orchestrator
Post by: Sole Signal [Audix] on February 20, 2009, 12:01:14 am
Quality instrument sounds, you certainly have the classical style down.

However, we're aiming more for a contemporary feel (just look at the original game's soundtrack). Think more along the lines of these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXVFVa_B_jE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UM6H0T1AQLQ&feature=related

Sorta mixing those together could work great (the styles, not the arrangement). Do you have AIM or anything that I could speak with you directly?
Title: Re: Application for Orchestrator
Post by: jjmusicnotes on February 20, 2009, 01:36:15 am
I've got an AIM account.  It's TheMusicComposer, I believe, I'll blow the dust off it and log on so that you can find me.

I've got about 30 measures so far, but I feel like we should talk before I really continue much further.
Title: Re: Application for Orchestrator
Post by: basstronix on February 20, 2009, 03:28:07 am
Audix, this one's all yours.  I'll leave the decision up to you, I trust your judgement.  Unfortunately, I think I'm a bit too busy right now to do a proper trial.
Title: Re: Application for Orchestrator
Post by: Sole Signal [Audix] on February 20, 2009, 03:46:38 am
Sure thing, was already talking to him on AIM earlier today and nailing down some plans.
Title: Re: Application for Orchestrator
Post by: Jonathan [Spider] on February 20, 2009, 05:01:12 am
bumped to trial go ahead and make a new thread in the trial members section Audix will get you something to do.