GoldenEye: Source Forums
Debriefing => General Goldeneye => Topic started by: [GE:S Com] DF Ank1 on December 06, 2009, 09:10:47 pm
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Yes that´s the next question I have. Can we make Advertisement for GoldenEye: Source ? Or is this to remarkably that someone would examine this ?
I would print lots of GE:S Advertismentpaper, hang up everywhere in whole Austria. I am travelling around.
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I don't see why advertising for us would be a bad idea. I'd say free advertising would be great. I don't know if it's up to me though, I don't think this topic has been discussed.
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Haha, make sure you take pics and share with us :-D
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Someone should totally make a sexual A4 ad poster for him (and others) to plaster everywhere...
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We need evony marketing....Lol
if you make posters, make sure its got prominently "goldeneyesource.net"
:D
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I try to get the word out to all my friends who I think would be interested. Every bit of exposure you can get is good, right?
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We need evony marketing....Lol
Goldeneye: Source - Start Your Journey Now, My Lord!
It could work.
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Ha i will spray GOLDENEYE: SOURCE very big on a wall in my vocational school, 800 km away from home. I will make this everywhere. They don´t know me :-) :-) :-)
What a surprise
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Ha i will spray GOLDENEYE: SOURCE very big on a wall in my vocational school, 800 km away from home. I will make this everywhere. They don´t know me :-) :-) :-)
What a surprise
That's one way to spread the word. GES supports the children.
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ill try to make a facebook ad
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Goldeneye: Source - Start Your Journey Now, My Lord!
It could work.
Any ad that shows up as much as that one would get at least half of the Internet involved.
ill try to make a facebook ad
That's what we need.
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What´s with Computermagazine like GameSare , GamePro, and all the other magazin for games ?.
The best would be a TV Advertisment :-).
But for this we need a advertising agency and that costs money.
But cool idea.
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Facebook will have GE:S ads ;)
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/6711/adst.png
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What´s with Computermagazine like GameSare , GamePro, and all the other magazin for games ?.
The best would be a TV Advertisment :-).
But for this we need a advertising agency and that costs money.
But cool idea.
Even if we had the money, that's probably pushing a little too close for copyright holders.
Facebook and internet/viral will do.
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http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/2435/adscj.png
facebook ad gettin clicks!
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Wait, does the facebok add cost anything?
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Yes they do.
But since this is about getting the word out and helping the mod, its the least we can do ;) (you can thank google for the $)
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THANKS!
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Ha i will spray GOLDENEYE: SOURCE very big on a wall in my vocational school, 800 km away from home. I will make this everywhere. They don´t know me :-) :-) :-)
What a surprise
We don't support vandalism. Just make a poster.
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If you want it to be real succesful, just release it as a freeware standalone game.
People SWARM on freeware games, just check out games like Warrock, they're absolutely horribly bad, but it's free (at least for some part) so people play it.
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Im sure Valve might have something to say about someone handing out their engine for free...
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Not an option for us, unless we wanted to redo everything we did in the past few years.
Beside that, our mod is allready free, you just need a source engine based game.
Most ppl got at least one source based game and if not HL2:DM for about 4-5$ is really cheap for getting access to a huge ammount of MP&SP mods out there.
It could be much worser, if we would have a, lets say, mod for Crysis, you had to buy Crysis (still a lot more expensive i guess) in order to play it.
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True, but eventually the players you can attract is way smaller.
Let's take a mathematical approach. Element x are your gamers. It is calculated that for pc gaming, Steam and all it's supported games (including css, cs, cod, left4dead, and so on) has about 70% market share. I've read this and i found it quite shocking, because i really had no idea Steam was such a major player nowadays, although, with the recent craze about all the call of duty games, this might be understandable.
Let's say that x=10 gamers.
x = 10
70 % of those gamers have access to Steam.
x = 7
Now i'm not going to sum up every single game that features source engine, but only the major players, 2.1 million purchases of Cs:s, 6.5 million purchases of HL2.
If you add those up you get 8.6 million players who have access to the source engine, however, the number of players who have a console instead of a pc i do not know, but this compensates with the fact that i didn't mention other small games.
Steam itself states it has about 20 million active users.
Let's calculate a bit, 8.6 million (estimated number of pc source owners) / 20 million (steam accounts) = 0.43
Now let's divide 7 to see how many gamers have steam.
x = 7 . 0.43 = 3.01 = 30.1 %
So, if you followed this little calculation, you can see that at maximum (while this is obviously inaccurate) you can reach 30.1% of the pc gaming market with your mod.
On avarage, you can only reach 3 out of 10 gamers who are actually capable of running the mod on their pc.
And i didn't even include their field of interest!
sources used :
http://www.jouwgames.nl/content/n/9061/Steam-heeft-70-procent-marktaandeel.html
http://wikipedia.org
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Your statistics and math are about as accurate as the climate scientist's hockey stick model....
Either way, it doesn't matter if it's 3 out of 10 people (at worst) that is still 8.6 mill * 0.3 = 2.58 Million by your numbers.... that is not even close to the number of downloads we have seen (about 30,000-40,000) since Beta 3 came out.
We still have 2.54 million people to impress upon. I believe thats a good number to start with before we piss off Valve who owns 70% of the market share (again according to your numbers)
This also doesn't even account for those people who find our mod and are convinced enough to bring themselves to the level of being able to play it (purchase HL2DM and everything else) which, by our very own forum experience, has been about 10-15 people!
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Well i said it was obviously inaccurate, and the numbers i got from those sources listed below.
Also you say Valve has 70%, not really Valve, because Steam is just an application to deliver content to gamers, with major game publishers such as EA, THQ, Activision, SEGA, Ubisoft .... who distribute the games using steam and steam codes. That does not mean that Valve owns all these games now does it? Valve just owns the portal used to spread the games and where the games can be purchased, which is 70% of the market share nowadays.
Also you note the people who bought a source engine game just for this mod, well i don't think there are that many raving Bond or Goldeneye fans out there who own a pc capable of running the mod, like gaming, like first person shooters and are willing to pay money.
Use the edit button. Don't double post.
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A PC capable of running this mod can be purchased for $300 these days. That is not an excuse and not a reason why people aren't playing the game. Who cares about those people anyway? Obviously any other form of advertisement will sway them to buy a better computer if they are not willing to do it already.
Honestly, we don't care if people play this mod like TF2. We have an extremely loyal following and A LOT of die hard fans for GoldenEye. Satisfying 10,000 people is more than enough to justify my work on this mod.
I believe our hard work will draw the fans that want to and are capable of playing this game. People telling other people about our mod is 100 times more powerful than any advertisement.
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We have never really needed to advertise.. Modding sites have always helped us out in that area. We get in on some podcasts, interviews.. like hak5. We get out there enough and it doesn't cost us anything. Also on the plus side is that most of it has always been good.
I can see a gap in the audio world. We do have the best music of any game ever made. Sole can do what he needs in the audio community which will bring even more to the Mod.
Even magazines pimp us.
(http://members.shaw.ca/enzo.matrix/pics/Goldeneye-Source-PCGamer-Ma.gif)
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We are a huge hit on Facebook:
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/8834/capturermr.png
I have had the ads pretty much off till I get get some more funds in there, used up all my Google cash in just couple days.
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Holy crap lol.
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nice. need some google ads here on the forum to pay for the ge ad.
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Ever thought of bothering SourceForge?
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Goldeneye Source made me reinstall HL2 and Steam to be able to play mods.
But i also bought TF2 just because i wanted to play a Orangebox Mod before they released Source SDK Base 2007.
I also sent a friend HL2DM as a gift just to play some GES with him.
As you can see, i'm a GE crazy and i doubt that i'm the only one.
What we have to do now, is reaching as many as possible of the ppl who are able to play this mod + the ones who would buy a game just to be able to play GES.
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Well okay, you claim you have 10 000 people to which you're making the game for, which is good, but every time i log on Goldeneye to play there are like, what, 30 people max on the entire game?
So if you'd say that for 10 000 people who follow this mod and obviously own it, there are about 30 players online at maximum, and on avarage, when i log on in my time zone in the evening (GMT + 1), mostly about 5-10 players.
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Well okay, you claim you have 10 000 people to which you're making the game for, which is good, but every time i log on Goldeneye to play there are like, what, 30 people max on the entire game?
So if you'd say that for 10 000 people who follow this mod and obviously own it, there are about 30 players online at maximum, and on avarage, when i log on in my time zone in the evening (GMT + 1), mostly about 5-10 players.
But these 10,000 people (I'm still not sure where you get these numbers) don't all play GE:S every day...
GE:S does have an 'inner community' of dedicated players who play very often, and playercounts tend to snowball via Steam friends.. Often when I see someone on my Steam friends playing GE:S I join, and so do a lot of other people. Player counts in a server can quickly jump from 3 to 20 within just a few short minutes.
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We do know for a fact that many people don't play the current build because of the lag/prediction code error that Valve decided to fix a few months after we released. Valve likes to break everything when we release.. and only when we release :/
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Well yeah, i introduced it to my friend the other day who'se in my clan for CS:S. He liked it very much he said, looked gorgeous, had a nice feel to it, but he just couldn't get used to the combat system. For one he noted the lag (which seems to be on every server i go on, while my ping itself is always below 100) and the irregular collision detection.
I don't agree on the collision detection but i do believe there is too big a lag. Especially when i play Battlegrounds, another source mod, which does not lag while there are also maximum about 50 people online.
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I swear that people only join servers when I join them. I mean, the place is nearly deserted beforehand, and then suddenly a bunch of people joined. For example, just yesterday, I was playing Empires in the [VIPER] clan server (no affiliation with me), and then, after a few minutes, a whole bunch of noobs who wanted to ruin our jeep race came in and started killing everyone. Then it turned serious. And then someone jumped in our comm. vehicle and drove it into the water, making us lose the match.
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I say we kill people and leave notes on the bodies which say "Download Goldeneye: Source today!"
They'll get the idea.
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I say we kill people and leave notes on the bodies which say "Download Goldeneye: Source today!"
They'll get the idea.
or they will think funeral homes just started a new marketing venture.
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HAHAHA! fuck facebook im takin up Z's idea starting with ... *points finger* THAT BITCH RIGHT THERE!
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What´s with Computermagazine like GameSare , GamePro, and all the other magazin for games ?.
I just ran into that article on gamepro.com (http://www.gamepro.com/article/features/213136/13-fantastic-fan-made-game-remakes-demakes/) (Number 12)
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I just ran into that article on gamepro.com (http://www.gamepro.com/article/features/213136/13-fantastic-fan-made-game-remakes-demakes/) (Number 12)
Very great. So have someone an idea to create a very good looking post ?
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well, wouldn`t it be enough to make a tag of the GES logo, and tag it in other games or something?
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Yeah, go on source games like TF2, CS:S and L4D and tag your spray as a GE:S logo! sure thing, all the exposure we can. Im sure everyone knows of us, but convincing them to play a free mod isnt always as easy as it sounds for regular old gamers whose minds cant get around the idea that "beta" means shit, or incomplete. Basically not worthy of devotion until we say we are out of beta...its odd.
Our mod has the included gameplays in a solid state in beta 3.1.4. It will just get more stable and feature-packed with beta 4. These are the things we need to instill in the common gamer, we do compete with paid games playability and diversity sometimes exceeding!
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