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Title: [BUG] cant look up or down when using a game pad
Post by: little 00 on January 30, 2010, 11:50:27 pm
When I try to program my control settings for a joy stick or game pad there is no option to look up or down.
Title: Re: [BUG] cant look up or down when using a game pad
Post by: kraid on January 31, 2010, 10:43:47 am
Blame valve.
They don't support controllers properly in source.
Title: Re: [BUG] cant look up or down when using a game pad
Post by: killermonkey on January 31, 2010, 02:27:04 pm
That option shouldn't need to be programmed. Make sure your joystick works properly in Windows' joystick settings control panel thingy.

If the stick moves the cursor on there, it will automatically move your view ingame. It's a directinput thing.
Title: Re: [BUG] cant look up or down when using a game pad
Post by: kraid on January 31, 2010, 02:46:59 pm
I once tried it with my hama ps2 clone pad and there was no way of making it work with source, allthough it works just fine with every other game i tried so far.
Title: Re: [BUG] cant look up or down when using a game pad
Post by: little 00 on January 31, 2010, 03:53:11 pm
thank you for your input
Title: Re: [BUG] cant look up or down when using a game pad
Post by: keefy on February 02, 2010, 12:09:52 am
Not Valves fault at all you guys seriously need to stop blaming Valve for everything. All it takes is a little time to figure out.

I use this for PS2/PS3 controllers.

Left stick = move & strafe
Right stick = Look/turn

Code: [Select]
//PS3 sixaaxis or Dualshock 3 controls
joystick "1"
+jlook
joy_advanced "1"
//axis
joy_advaxisx "3"
joy_advaxisy "1"
joy_advaxisr "4"
joy_advaxisz "2"


joy_name "Joy1"
joyadvancedupdate

//Sensitivity
joy_forwardsensitivity -1.0
joy_sidesensitivity 1.0
joy_pitchsensitivity 0.5 //negative number -0.5 gives inverted lookup/down
joy_yawsensitivity -1.8
joy_forwardthreshold 0.15
joy_sidethreshold 0.15
joy_yawthreshold 0.0
joy_pitchthreshold 0.0





//L4D controls
//joy_advaxisx 3				// x-axis controls GAME_AXIS_SIDE (strafing left and right)
//joy_advaxisy 1				// y-axis controls GAME_AXIS_FORWARD (move forward and back)
//joy_advaxisr 2				// r-axis controls GAME_AXIS_PITCH (look up and down)
//joy_advaxisz 4				// z-axis is treated like a button

//joy_advaxisu 0				// u-axis controls GAME_AXIS_YAW (look left and right)
//joy_advaxisv 0				// v-axis is unused

Title: Re: [BUG] cant look up or down when using a game pad
Post by: Enzo.Matrix on February 02, 2010, 12:30:16 am
DAMN YOU VALVE!!
Title: Re: [BUG] cant look up or down when using a game pad
Post by: kraid on February 02, 2010, 01:01:03 am
@keefy: you entered this manually into the .cfg, right?
Title: Re: [BUG] cant look up or down when using a game pad
Post by: killermonkey on February 02, 2010, 04:14:35 am
lol, if it wasn't Valve's fault he wouldn't be asking these questions. Clearly they dropped the ball on joystick support
Title: Re: [BUG] cant look up or down when using a game pad
Post by: keefy on February 02, 2010, 04:28:30 am
Quote from: kraid on February 02, 2010, 01:01:03 am
@keefy: you entered this manually into the .cfg, right?
In a way yes, I have it in a seperate config call joy.cfg so all I do is open console then typer "exec joy" and bing my joystick works
Its a good idea to make a backup of yur existing config first then name it something easy to rememember.
Quote from: killermonkey on February 02, 2010, 04:14:35 am
lol, if it wasn't Valve's fault he wouldn't be asking these questions. Clearly they dropped the ball on joystick support
Using that logic should also mean dedicated servers arnot supported either. Plus there is a page in the support secion of steampowerd.com showing us how to do enable joysticks in Source games
Title: Re: [BUG] cant look up or down when using a game pad
Post by: killermonkey on February 02, 2010, 04:49:55 am
I would argue that exact point. Dedicated servers are nothing more than bare bones crap unless you use the VGUI version. It doesn't even have console command completion built into it's "console".

A lot of what Valve does is extremely half assed and specialized. I encounter it every day in the sdk making sure GE:S's features work. There should be no reason, in 2010, that a person has to modify a configuration text file for their joystick to look up and down when they have a perfectly functioning VGUI options menu already setup. It's plain lazyness.

You either include the full feature or you don't include it at all. That is definitely GE:S's motto and I hope it shows in our releases.

/end rant
Title: Re: [BUG] cant look up or down when using a game pad
Post by: keefy on February 02, 2010, 05:12:28 am
I dont use SDK so Cannot comment on that.
Its consoles that spoil players these days. PC gaming used to mean customisation and editing cfg files now the console is becoming locked off  removing customisation so they have to include it in the GUI.
I guess I am just used to tweaking config files so doesnt bother me too much.

Although If there is an easy way and hard way I choose the easy way.

I was just uinder the impression that some people in this thread think controller dont work at all in the  source engine but they do and work quite well if you ask me, obviously not as good as keyboard and mouse its just a pain of figuring out the right axis for your controller once done  you can bind all buttons in the GUI.
Title: Re: [BUG] cant look up or down when using a game pad
Post by: kraid on February 02, 2010, 10:27:53 am
I'm still not satisfied with the useage of a controller under source.
Since the ammount of buttons is very limited, it should be possible to use button combinations to execute certain commands.
I tried your config and it's working, but i had to switch the axis on the 2nd Stick.
So i guess allmost everyone who's trying to use a controller on Source will experience much similar issues.
A few might be able to solve them by editing the .cfg, but a lot of ppl won't even know where the files are located at, or what has to be changed.

Most ppl who'd like to use a controller on a PC game like GES are doing this because they're not familiar with mouse + keyboard input, so they try to use a controller because they know how to handle this input device.

If there was an easy way of controller configuration, we would surely include it into the game.
Maybe you could write a tutorial for controller setup under GES, maybe it can be included into the Wiki.
Title: Re: [BUG] cant look up or down when using a game pad
Post by: little 00 on February 03, 2010, 11:06:53 pm
Most of the games I have played have the option to program all functions including all move options and look options weather they are valve or games for windows live.
counter-strike:source is 1 of them
Title: Re: [BUG] cant look up or down when using a game pad
Post by: keefy on February 06, 2010, 01:21:05 pm
Maybe adding a couple of configs for setting up the analog sticks only and being able to exec them form the GUI if thats possible.

Examples
Should work with a PS2 controller also.
http://files.resistance-tester.com/gametools/GES/cfg/PS3.cfg
http://files.resistance-tester.com/gametools/GES/cfg/PS3_southpaw.cfg -  swaps the sticks over so left stick is look, aim,turn and right stick is movement. (much like default Goldeney controls)
Once executed the player can adjust sensitivity in mouse settinga and even invert lookup/down, then bind the buttons in "keyboard" as normal.


Add more for xbox controllers, (I dont have an xbox controller so couldnt make a cfg for it.



Title: Re: [BUG] cant look up or down when using a game pad
Post by: killermonkey on February 06, 2010, 01:27:19 pm
Keefy I'll add these CFG's to Beta 4 and mention their operation on the wiki if thats ok with you
Title: Re: [BUG] cant look up or down when using a game pad
Post by: keefy on February 06, 2010, 01:33:29 pm
Sure sounds good to me.
Could someone test this config with an xbox controller?  I took it from the config in L4D and simply reversed it for southpaw
http://files.resistance-tester.com/gametools/GES/cfg/xbox360.cfg
http://files.resistance-tester.com/gametools/GES/cfg/xbox360_southpaw.cfg 
Title: Re: [BUG] cant look up or down when using a game pad
Post by: V!NCENT on February 06, 2010, 06:52:39 pm
DirectInput? Muthafsckers! >:(

So no USB HID controller is going to work?

*Gets on a plane with an GG and is heading towards the Microsoft DirectX department*
Title: Re: [BUG] cant look up or down when using a game pad
Post by: little 00 on February 09, 2010, 04:26:10 am
Quote from: kraid on February 02, 2010, 10:27:53 am
I'm still not satisfied with the useage of a controller under source.
Since the ammount of buttons is very limited, it should be possible to use button combinations to execute certain commands.
I tried your config and it's working, but i had to switch the axis on the 2nd Stick.
So i guess allmost everyone who's trying to use a controller on Source will experience much similar issues.
A few might be able to solve them by editing the .cfg, but a lot of ppl won't even know where the files are located at, or what has to be changed.

Most ppl who'd like to use a controller on a PC game like GES are doing this because they're not familiar with mouse + keyboard input, so they try to use a controller because they know how to handle this input device.

If there was an easy way of controller configuration, we would surely include it into the game.
Maybe you could write a tutorial for controller setup under GES, maybe it can be included into the Wiki.
Its also a though for players that want to get closer to the original feel of Goldeneye N64 since this is a remake for memories.
Title: Re: [BUG] cant look up or down when using a game pad
Post by: kraid on February 09, 2010, 12:11:44 pm
Well, if you wanna play a match with friends and can convince them all to use a controller, it might be fun.
But if you're playing with a controller on a public server you'll suffer most of the time.