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Title: Public Relations
Post by: Happyhippo on January 19, 2012, 11:17:41 pm
Hello,
My name is Jan Kumelowski. I am 15 and I am a huge James Bond fan. To keep this brief I'll just say that my knowledge of the mechanics of the English language is very good. I also have excellent people skills. I am very eager to help you and your team and would do my best to benefit the team.
P.S.:If this doesn't show up as a thread please notify me.




Thank you,
Jan K.

Title: Re: Public Relations
Post by: Emilia on January 19, 2012, 11:25:07 pm
1. Public Relations/Video
Good understanding of writing practices, and how Public Relations works.
Be proficient in video production within Source engine, and skilled in producing polished content.
Minimum 1 year experience in the field; Prefer 2+
Title: Re: Public Relations
Post by: Happyhippo on January 19, 2012, 11:28:40 pm
Well I can write scripts if that's what your getting at, as for making videos I am less proficient in that field. Nevertheless, I feel I could be a valuable asset to your team because I can write well and I can appeal to a select audience, throw a task at me and I will more than willingly give it a shot. Frankly I'm not very familiar with the concept of making a video, only very basic replays.
Title: Re: Public Relations
Post by: Mangley on January 19, 2012, 11:40:14 pm
Do you have any experience with Adobe Photoshop or other visual presentation software or any web design experience?

PR is a much broader field than just writing, particularly when it comes to the skillset needed for online PR. It demands ability to structure well designed, consistent and visually appealing presentations, organise and design visual content and be able to type coherently in perfect English without mistakes or rambling.
Title: Re: Public Relations
Post by: Happyhippo on January 19, 2012, 11:42:29 pm
I could make important announcements on the forums, or even deal with the suggestions, questions, complaints, and other issues.
Title: Re: Public Relations
Post by: Happyhippo on January 19, 2012, 11:43:29 pm
If slideshows count then yes, I can do that kind of work.
Title: Re: Public Relations
Post by: Happyhippo on January 19, 2012, 11:52:44 pm
Since I am not very proficient in video making perhaps I could work together with someone who is, this way we could combine their ability with mine.
Title: Re: Public Relations
Post by: Happyhippo on January 20, 2012, 12:04:39 am
I can live up to 2 of the 3 criteria you presented. I have the experience and I have an excellent understand of the English language. In fact my mother works in public relations!
Title: Re: Public Relations
Post by: Emilia on January 20, 2012, 12:17:05 am
How long have you been playing the mod for?
Title: Re: Public Relations
Post by: Happyhippo on January 20, 2012, 12:19:04 am
Well on and off in total for about a year, I'll admit I'm no god in this game but after a while of practicing I can hold my own. Unfortunately I have had to re-install it many times due to my computer breaking down and other technical issues.
Title: Re: Public Relations
Post by: Happyhippo on January 20, 2012, 12:19:37 am
As for this page, I just signed up today when I saw that you guys were looking for people to add to the team.
Title: Re: Public Relations
Post by: Emilia on January 20, 2012, 12:20:49 am
You say you have PR experience. What kind of experience do you have?
Title: Re: Public Relations
Post by: Happyhippo on January 20, 2012, 12:23:02 am
Mainly presentations, speech writing, when I was much younger I wrote for the school paper. My grades at the time on writing assignments were A's.
Title: Re: Public Relations
Post by: Happyhippo on January 20, 2012, 12:26:28 am
I am available to take on any task you may have for me on weekdays from 4pm to 10pm so my hours are reasonably flexible.
Title: Re: Public Relations
Post by: Proxie on January 20, 2012, 12:28:57 am
What's your in-game handle? I've never seen a Happyhippo.
Title: Re: Public Relations
Post by: Happyhippo on January 20, 2012, 12:29:39 am
In game handle? Do you mean my steam account name?
Title: Re: Public Relations
Post by: Jonathon [SSL] on January 20, 2012, 12:32:58 am
This board isn't an instant messaging client. At the very least, you need to be able to place all your ideas into a single post to start off with rather than a bunch of 1-2 sentence posts in succession.


Also,


To keep this brief I'll just say that my knowledge of the mechanics of the English language is very good.


I'm no grammar Nazi, but I find it ironic there's a grammar error in this sentence (should be "are very good" at the end of the sentence).
Title: Re: Public Relations
Post by: Happyhippo on January 20, 2012, 12:34:53 am
Well done, of course I didn't have time to proofread. To add to that, I'm multitasking. As for my steam account name, it's Deltaechoalphadelta.
Title: Re: Public Relations
Post by: Emilia on January 20, 2012, 12:36:20 am
To deal with questions, complaints and issues, you have to know the game inside out, otherwise you won't be able to help anyone.

The PR in GoldenEye Source will be working closely with the developers of this mod. They are seen as apart of the leaders of the team and the community. They must be able to bring people to the mod, inform the community of the latest news and be able to talk to the community as a whole.

I'm sorry to say that your experience with the mod itself wouldn't be sufficient to fulfill this role. You have only just signed up to the forums and I don't think you truly understand the workings of this community just yet. To be a PR, you have to be apart of the community and understand its dynamics.

However, this is just my personal opinion.
Title: Re: Public Relations
Post by: Happyhippo on January 20, 2012, 12:39:21 am
Maybe so, but believe me, I learn fast. To add to that I know the game surprisingly well. Not the physics or bullet velocity or all that technical mumbo-jumbo, but I know the guns, maps, and characters.
Title: Re: Public Relations
Post by: JcFerggy on January 20, 2012, 12:40:54 am
I've let this go on long enough. Thanks Emilia, but I'd like to have an official post in for this. The job posting that we put out in August goes as the following.

Quote
Public Relations/Video


Good understanding of writing practices, and how Public Relations works.
Be proficient in video production within  Source engine, and skilled in producing polished content.
Minimum 1 year experience in the field; Prefer 2+


Now this is a short listing, but other important skills include web experience (web programming would help), being active in the community, and knowledge of After Effects, Premiere, and/or Photoshop.


Being 15 Years old, I don't know how well you would be at any of these (But I'm not a person to judge). Myself currently I've been around since 2008, have finished my degree in Web Development and I am currently taking Video Game Design. I've worked with most Adobe programs, currently learning how to Map and Model, and I would even say that I'm not fully qualified for PR position.

Most of these things can be taught to a person, but the main thing we need is dedication to the mod. I don't want some shit nosed kid showing up for a few months, then never coming around again. We have been dealing with people like that for years.

If you can provide some samples of your work, we may consider you, but having your first post on the forum be an application, then quadruple and triple posting in your own topic, you are not providing a good example of professionalism (Along with that steam name, "Dead"? Seriously?).
Title: Re: Public Relations
Post by: Happyhippo on January 20, 2012, 12:45:14 am
Well I can not provide a copy of my work since it's all on paper, either way, thank you for your time. Of course, I would love a trial of some form but who am I to argue with developers. Perhaps in the distant future I can try again. Also, with all due respect, I would really appreciate it if you wouldn't judge me on my age.
Title: Re: Public Relations
Post by: JcFerggy on January 20, 2012, 12:52:10 am
Well I can not provide a copy of my work since it's all on paper, either way, thank you for your time. Of course, I would love a trial of some form but who am I to argue with developers. Perhaps in the distant future I can try again. Also, with all due respect, I would really appreciate it if you wouldn't judge me on my age.
Regarding the age, its hard not to. You are still in high school, while the rest of the team is either in college or out in the work force. We have experience just from living that you have not gained yet. I'm not outright saying no, but rather that you need to prove that you would be a good choice for the job.

Imagine coming to a work interview interview, and they ask for your portfolio. You are basically saying that you didn't bother to bring one because it was all hand written. It is not very professional and does not give a good judge of your actual skills.
Title: Re: Public Relations
Post by: Happyhippo on January 20, 2012, 12:54:20 am
I mean theoretically if you were to give me lets say some pretend assignment to test me, along with guidelines for it, I'd gladly take it and have it in by a deadline. I'm quite responsible I assure you.
Title: Re: Public Relations
Post by: Rick Astley on January 20, 2012, 01:01:40 am
Well I can not provide a copy of my work since it's all on paper

just use a photo scanner and scan the documents
Title: Re: Public Relations
Post by: Happyhippo on January 20, 2012, 01:02:03 am
A what?
Title: Re: Public Relations
Post by: JcFerggy on January 20, 2012, 01:02:17 am
But why. You have not shown me any reason to even give you my time of day.

Here is a task. Play the game for a month. Scan or preferably type up some samples of your work. Come back to this topic, and pitch your application. Provide work of photoshop or some video editing. After a proper application is shown then we will consider you as an applicant.
Title: Re: Public Relations
Post by: Happyhippo on January 20, 2012, 01:05:05 am
Fair enough.  :-D
Title: Re: Public Relations
Post by: Happyhippo on January 20, 2012, 03:53:39 am
Can I get a topic, I'm not really good at coming up with something to write unless it's a short story.

Title: Re: Public Relations
Post by: Emilia on January 20, 2012, 04:21:28 am
Here is from the official thread on applying for a job with the GoldenEye Team:

So you've reviewed the requirements, and think you would make a good addition to the team.  Great!  In order for your application to be considered, please adhere to the following guidelines and application requirements.  Create a new thread in this forum with a title that includes the position you are applying for. In your thread please include the following information:

-Position applied for
-Relevant Experience
-Programs used
-Email
-MSN\AIM

In addition to the requested information, you MUST include sample work for all Art, Sound, and Design applications. Your application will not be accepted unless you include a decent amount of work that reflects your skills for the position you are applying for.  Your work should be high quality, in a finished state, and relevant to the position you are applying for.  Part of what we look for is the ability to finish projects, so WIP work will not help you unless it is able to stand on its own merits. 

If possible, please display images within the thread itself, and provide direct links to all other work. Cite all things relevant to the work (programs used, wireframes if needed, etc).  If other people were involved in the creation of the work, be sure to state exactly which parts are your work.   

Please treat your application seriously, and use proper punctuation and grammar to the best of your ability.

After you post an application your work will be reviewed by the current development team.  You will most likely receive a good amount of comments, critiques, and questions from all areas of the dev team.  The dept lead for the position you are applying for will review your application, and make the final decision on whether to move your application to trial status.

Once you have received the go-ahead from the dept lead, your account will be upgraded to trial status, and you will be able to view the trial member forum.  Review the trial guidelines that are posted in the trial forum, and create a new post requesting a trial.  The dept lead will post a trial project for you to complete, and if you are able to complete the trial to the satisfaction of the dev team, you will green-lit by the department lead and managers, then brought on as a full developer. 



Follow this to the TEE and then the developers will look at this officially!
PS: Follow JcFerggy's advice.
Title: Re: Public Relations
Post by: Rick Astley on January 20, 2012, 11:54:19 am
A what?

you dont know what a scanner is? you know a sort of device usually part of a printer that can scan a4 documents...it scans the documents and converts them to JPEG which you can then print off....
 
but yeah follow JcFerggy's advice like what Emilia says
Title: Re: Public Relations
Post by: The Cy on January 20, 2012, 01:21:55 pm
haha, the oldies cling to their chairs. but I have to admit, it's too early for you. but I like your interest for the mod. my best advice for you: stay tuned, be around here, post the shit out of you. you´re a human being with many unfulfilled thoughts and ideas. maybe they will disagree, maybe they show hatred, maybe they show golden guns, but maybe someday you can start bringing the coffee
Title: Re: Public Relations
Post by: basstronix on January 20, 2012, 01:55:40 pm
I like the interest this kid shows. I was 17 when I joined this mod, but that was way back in 2005 and musicians for mods were a rarity at the time. I lucked out. I'm afraid we have our PR very well handled; after all, we've been in PC gamer and a few other big gaming magazines.
Title: Re: Public Relations
Post by: Mangley on January 20, 2012, 06:01:10 pm
Well said.

Listen kid, at the end of the day we're only interested in bringing on people who can contribute something to the team, as far as PR goes we already have a very talented person who writes our stuff and has the skills and dedication needed to fulfil his role. You simply don't have what we're looking for.

Also your age is a factor, I'm not going to lie about it. Not because we're against letting younger people join but it's fair to say that the team is mostly comprised of people in their late teens, twenties and thirties. I think honestly someone so young would probably have a hard time fitting in. Granted, we were all your age at some point and it's good that you're enthusiastic about the mod and want to get involved, but jumping straight into an creating an application without any experience or skills to bring to the table isn't the way to go.

What I'd suggest is if you're interested in getting involved with our mod then get stick around, get involved in the community and play the mod. If you're just interested in a position on a mod team then there are plenty of mods (http://www.moddb.com/mods) who are always looking for people.

Anyway this is just my opinion, I can't speak for everybody but I don't think it would be healthy to see this thread go on much longer.
Title: Re: Public Relations
Post by: major on January 20, 2012, 08:18:39 pm
Love the enthusiasm. However you have one of the handful of needed factors. Stick around your a good dude. Pick up a couple more skills like Photoshop, Maybe some light video editing. Then you can build a strong application and show off your skills.

I joined when I was 16-17, but wasn't such a ambitious role, but good on you for trying.
Title: Re: Public Relations
Post by: Jeron [SharpSh00tah] on January 20, 2012, 10:45:39 pm
I was 15 when i joined as well. However, the entire team was alot younger then. Now we all have grown up a bit, and have stayed close.

Learn Photoshop! Learn to have all your thoughts in a single post. Learn how this team operates, and who is in control of what. Stick around, you never know what could happen. But as of now, Ill put an end to this thread and say that your not ready at the current moment.




Side note; This team started when most of us where around the age of 15-20, that was, 6 years ago (for me). However, the core group of developers stuck together, and now 6 years later, all of our work has improved, exponentially .
Title: Re: Public Relations
Post by: Kratos on January 21, 2012, 06:23:28 am
you dont know what a scanner is? you know a sort of device usually part of a printer that can scan a4 documents...it scans the documents and converts them to JPEG which you can then print off....
 
but yeah follow JcFerggy's advice like what Emilia says

No offense to the op, but I cant stop laughing at this post!
Title: Re: Public Relations
Post by: Wake[of]theBunT on January 21, 2012, 06:47:02 am
We are aware the role as listed asks a lot and that is precisely because WE provide adequately between us, the duties it holds. The issue is it is usually one person's role in some of the more fortunate mods ;)

Do as others before you that were premature in applying and get involved day to day on our forums, while using some spare hours to work on the position' fields. And slowly surely within a couple months and with a more promising application I wouldn't mind training you to be at our level of professionalism.

Speaking realistically we already have a better and more connected video editor than we could get on the open market - speaking of Xanatos (who came back)

So..the position free is just to write and format the PR and be dedicated (with periodical new ideas to keep things fresh), as well as co-ordinate with Major on the community outreach side - as I'm getting close to 30, and would prefer soonish to oversee the PR department.
Title: Re: Public Relations
Post by: Emilia on January 21, 2012, 09:09:36 am
So..the position free is just to write and format the PR and be dedicated (with periodical new ideas to keep things fresh), as well as co-ordinate with Major on the community outreach side - as I'm getting close to 30, and would prefer soonish to oversee the PR department.

This is very tempting...
Title: Re: Public Relations
Post by: Rick Astley on January 21, 2012, 09:23:27 am
No offense to the op, but I cant stop laughing at this post!

sorry i meant Desktop scanner that optically scans images, printed text, handwriting, or an object, and converts it to a digital image...satisfied?