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Less-Than-Shite Performance
« on: July 16, 2010, 06:33:08 pm »

Mkay, so I've been asking people for their thoughts on my issue and the consensus is "Make a thread on the forum", so here we are.

The problem is that my frames in GE:S are far less than optimal given my hardware specs. Now then:

Specs:

Motherboard: M2N68-LA, Narra 3

Processor: AMD Phenom 9500 Quad-Core 2.20 GHz

Graphics: Asus NVIDIA GeForce 8500 GT
Asus NVIDIA GeForce 460 Top
700 MHz, "Overclocked", 768 MB GDDR5, DirectX 11 support, NVIDIA SLI

RAM: 4.00 GB
System type: Windows 7 Home 64-bit
Native monitor resolution: 1920 x 1200, 16:10

GE:S BETA 4 video settings:

Resolution:    1280x800
Models: Medium High
Textures: Medium Very high
Shader detail: Low High
Water detail: Simple reflections Reflect all
Shadow detail: Low High
Colour Correction: Disabled Enabled
Anti-aliasing: None
Filtering mode: Trilinear
Wait for vertical sync: Disabled
Motion Blur: Disabled
High Dynamic Range: Full (if available)

Frames: ...

Lucky to have 50 in a map like Control, when I'm by myself.


So yeah... I'm open to suggestions. I do maintenance like registry cleanups and whatnot on a regular basis. (TuneUp is badass.)
I just want a boost is all...

~Edit September 22, 2010, 08:36:57 AM for new GFX specs.
~Edit for copied motherboard spec from last page for quick access.
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Re: Less-Than-Shite Performance
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2010, 06:57:44 pm »

Well, something obviously is wrong my specs are:
  • Intel Celeron D 2.66GHz
  • 512MB DDR Ram 800MHz
  • ATI Radeon 9250 128MB

I play using all of your settings except I use high textures and I get around 55fps on Control.

make sure you're getting adequate airflow and check to see if your fans have dust caked on them and your heatsink dosent look like http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p101/uzumaki_arashi_album/DSC01720.jpg

Also post what your temperatures are under load, I use a program called SpeedFan that you can get Here

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Re: Less-Than-Shite Performance
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2010, 08:32:35 pm »

FYI

Q6700
8GB RAM
Win 7 Pro x64
XFX ATI 5970

1920x1200 with every setting on max and vsync disabled I get 115fps idle in control standing on the top floor looking towards the screen.

Do note I am actually playing at fullscreen but in a window (because I use multimonitors it saves alt-tabbing out)
Here are my game launch options:
-novid -noborder -console -sw -w 1920 -h 1200

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Re: Less-Than-Shite Performance
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2010, 09:43:21 pm »

This isn't very helpful, but my laptop gets better performance.

Core2duo 1.7Ghz
4GB Ram
Geforce 210M

About all High settings, some medium.



As Proxie said, check your temperatures, and computer for dust.

Make sure you have the latest Drivers.

How is your performance in other games?

Try GE:S with the explosion particals off (Multiplayer > Advanced I believe).

Also think about dumping your Graphics card soon, its going to keep you down.


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Re: Less-Than-Shite Performance
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2010, 02:32:05 am »

Specs:

Processor: AMD 64 X2 5200+
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GT
RAM: 3.00 GB
System type: Windows XP Pro Service Pack 3

GE:S BETA 4 video settings:

Resolution: 1024x768
Models: High
Textures: Very High
Shader detail: High
Water detail: Full Reflections
Shadow detail: High
Colour Correction: Enabled
Anti-aliasing: 4x MSAA
Filtering mode: 4x Anisotropic
Wait for vertical sync: Disabled
Motion Blur: Enabled
High Dynamic Range: Full (if available)

I get an average of around 90 fps on control.

I wish I could be more helpful, with the settings you use I think you should be fine with your graphics card.. I believe the 8500 GT is more of a mid-range card of the GeForce 8 series.. the high end ones are 8600 and 8800 and the pissweak ones are 8300 and 8400.
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Re: Less-Than-Shite Performance
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2010, 03:27:23 am »

I suggest a quick and dirty upgrade of the graphics card. I have a Geforce 8800 GTX 640MB and it runs everything like a dream (especially GE:S). Obviously, make sure your graphics drivers are up to date and i would also investigate your motherboard northbridge drivers if you are running nForce.

So yah: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814134082

Geforce 9800 GT w/ 1GB RAM for $90 (after mail-in rebate)
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Re: Less-Than-Shite Performance
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2010, 05:28:19 am »

Thanks for the response so far.

As Proxie said, check your temperatures, and computer for dust.

Make sure you have the latest Drivers.

How is your performance in other games?

I find myself cleaning out the tower every month, it seems, so that's taken care of. Temperature is something I've thought about and will look into when I get back from work today.

The last time I updated my graphics drivers the contrast went emo, so I'm still weary about that because I couldn't do a rollback. (This was during the end-phases of my Vista use (and was completely sick of it)).
Though this is a new OS so I'll do it.

Other games are also sub-par from what I recall (Half-Life ², DOOM³, even fucking DooM with the "bdoom" effect-enhancing WAD when things get stupid-busy (exclusive to TNT/Plutonia :P), though GE:S stands out as being worse.


As for upgrading the card, I've been looking around for a few months now, but as I currently stand I'm moving to my neighboring city for schooling in the middle of August, and I of course need as many monies as possibly possible, so that unfortunately won't be an option for a while.

Try GE:S with the explosion particals off (Multiplayer > Advanced I believe).

Do note I am actually playing at fullscreen but in a window (because I use multimonitors it saves alt-tabbing out)
Here are my game launch options:
-novid -noborder -console -sw -w 1920 -h 1200

I'll give those a shot along with a look at the temperature.
Updated OP with native monitor resolution, 1920 x 1200, 16:10. (if it's relevant)
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Re: Less-Than-Shite Performance
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2010, 07:20:22 am »

ya, update your Nvidia drivers. If you could, replace your video card with a faster one. I am very pleased with my 9800gt 1gb.

Also check your temp readings. Stop any processes which you dont need.

i keep textures and details to very low or low. Runs faster and its summer here and I dont want to build more heat in my pc.

Pretty much just update your pc, and do some maintence (defrag, malware scan etc) after that check out the performance.
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Re: Less-Than-Shite Performance
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2010, 07:49:06 am »

I almost got a 9800 for $128 a few months ago but decided I was more interested in the GTS 250. Then it just didn't happen.

As for maintenance, registry scans are done almost daily, defrags once a month, AVG does its thing every Sunday at 3AM, no unnecessary programs are run during startup (and thus ever), and I've been closing everything excluding Messenger and AVG before running GE:S.
So that's not a variable in this equation.
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Re: Less-Than-Shite Performance
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2010, 08:13:57 am »

Sometime a fresh format and an install of the best running drivers is all you need.   Newest driver isn't always the best driver.
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Re: Less-Than-Shite Performance
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2010, 09:27:44 am »

Go to the Nvidia website.
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Re: Less-Than-Shite Performance
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2010, 09:52:56 am »

^Note that I'd asked how one should find the best drivers besides Google-ing it and deleted it due to being a n00b query before noticing the response.

Anyways, I should also mention that formatting is the last resort as M$ doesn't want me installing Win7 more than three times. Shouldn't come to that though.
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Re: Less-Than-Shite Performance
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2010, 10:07:25 am »

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Try GE:S with the explosion particals off (Multiplayer > Advanced I believe).
-Couldn't find that option anywhere.

-Went into the BIOS and changed the Primary Video Adapter from PCI to PCI-Ex16, as I'm pretty sure that's what it is.

-Used the -novid -noborder launch options.

Now I'm lucky to get 60 instead of 50 it seems, so that's a slight improvement. (What did it I'm not sure.)
Of course I'm still in the 30s on maps like Runway and Cradle...


-Tried out SpeedFan, which is giving the same cracked out readings it was giving me when I was using Vista.
Game: What's wrong with this picture?




Also enclosed are a couple shots of my BIOS, if it helps any.
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Re: Less-Than-Shite Performance
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2010, 10:16:16 am »

Only real thing can tell from that BIOS shot is that 2GB of your ram isn't in Dual-Channel which will hurt some performance.

Take a screenshot of your temps when under load. For this i'd suggest a program called HWMonitor. As it will log the highest temperature so you can see your peak. So just go play GE:S for a hour or so, then check the program and post that.
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Re: Less-Than-Shite Performance
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2010, 12:57:04 pm »

Only real thing can tell from that BIOS shot is that 2GB of your ram isn't in Dual-Channel which will hurt some performance.
How would I go about solving that?


About two hours of play:

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