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Title: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (12/03/06)
Post by: Sean [Baron] on November 23, 2006, 01:54:01 pm
Click for larger image

(http://moddb.com/images/cache/mods/45/4506/gallery/water_53305.jpg) (http://wiki.goldeneyesource.net/images/7/77/Cougar_Magnum_01.jpg)

Model and Texture by Nudnick and Framed respectivly.

Enjoy!
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (11/23/06)
Post by: VC on November 23, 2006, 06:04:02 pm
A rail!?  Now I can attach a sniper scope and boom headshot from miles away. :D
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (11/23/06)
Post by: .sh4k3n on November 23, 2006, 07:49:34 pm
Yay! :D
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (11/23/06)
Post by: The_JFK on November 23, 2006, 08:09:38 pm
It looks a little bit more like the magnum from PD, which, don't get me wrong,  I really, really like.
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (11/23/06)
Post by: X23 on November 23, 2006, 10:50:04 pm
I think it looks great. I like it better than the hl2 magnum too.
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (11/23/06)
Post by: VogonFord on November 24, 2006, 03:59:14 am
A rail!?  Now I can attach a sniper scope and boom headshot from miles away. :D

That's an iron sight rail, not a Picatinny rail. Anyway, I've never heard of a magnum having a Picatinny rail, usually for scope mounting they are drilled and tapped (like you know what that means)

Still, it's a beautiful render!
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (11/23/06)
Post by: framed on November 24, 2006, 04:08:06 am
who doesn't know what tapped metal is? lol
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (11/23/06)
Post by: VC on November 24, 2006, 04:19:01 am
I've seen mags with scopes on them.  Scopes as big as the pistol.  I recall seeing a bunch in a recent article in a random gun magazine about chasing bears with .445 Mags.
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (11/23/06)
Post by: VogonFord on November 24, 2006, 04:29:37 am
You didn't understand my comment, I see. Alright, let's go through this.

The rail on that pistol is NOT a scope mount. It's not a mount, period. It's there to aid in using the iron sight. Sort of like the rail on many shotguns, such as the Remington 870 Wingmaster.

Pistols are mounted with scopes. I would know this, I write for a gun website. For example, the Oregon optics company Leupold and Stevens makes the FX-II 2x20mm Handgun scope. However, the mounts are NOT on rails. They are usually drilled and tapped, which refers to how the scope mount is physically attached to the barrel. I think there may be some tip-off scopes, but generally they are normal type rings. I see no evidence, however, that that pistol is drilled and tapped. Therefore, you'd need to take it to a gun store (if it existed in real life) and have it drilled and tapped.
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (11/23/06)
Post by: .sh4k3n on November 24, 2006, 09:31:03 am
You didn't understand my comment, I see. Alright, let's go through this.

The rail on that pistol is NOT a scope mount. It's not a mount, period. It's there to aid in using the iron sight. Sort of like the rail on many shotguns, such as the Remington 870 Wingmaster.

Pistols are mounted with scopes. I would know this, I write for a gun website. For example, the Oregon optics company Leupold and Stevens makes the FX-II 2x20mm Handgun scope. However, the mounts are NOT on rails. They are usually drilled and tapped, which refers to how the scope mount is physically attached to the barrel. I think there may be some tip-off scopes, but generally they are normal type rings. I see no evidence, however, that that pistol is drilled and tapped. Therefore, you'd need to take it to a gun store (if it existed in real life) and have it drilled and tapped.

I don't mean to step on any toes, but shut the hell up.
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (11/23/06)
Post by: Turboracer on November 24, 2006, 04:04:49 pm
Wow, nice work nudnick ;) That's a lot of detail in a source model.
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (11/23/06)
Post by: framed on November 24, 2006, 04:34:08 pm
turbo long time no see :D
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (11/23/06)
Post by: Turboracer on November 24, 2006, 04:45:44 pm
Hehehe, yeah, it's been a long while. I'm going to be around for the release!
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (11/23/06)
Post by: Wake[of]theBunT on November 24, 2006, 04:54:07 pm
Nudnick isnt around anymore, he dropped off the team somewhere before march apparently. But im sure he got your praise in spirit =D
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (11/23/06)
Post by: Sean [Baron] on November 24, 2006, 05:19:05 pm
Yeah, hes currently working on the RnL mod now.
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (11/23/06)
Post by: mbsurfer on November 24, 2006, 05:52:02 pm
Nudnick isnt around anymore, he dropped off the team somewhere before march apparently. But im sure he got your praise in spirit =D
Yeah, hes currently working on the RnL mod now.
Now I'm confused... is he on or not? ??? He has some really nice work though :)
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (11/23/06)
Post by: Sean [Baron] on November 24, 2006, 07:10:08 pm
He's not on the team anymore, but he asked us to continue using his models. So we are. He's working on the RnL mod now.
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (12/03/06)
Post by: Sean [Baron] on December 03, 2006, 05:25:18 pm
Updated, now includes skinned Cougar Magnum. Enjoy! :)
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (12/03/06)
Post by: mbsurfer on December 03, 2006, 05:38:01 pm
Yummy natural wood finish on the handle ;)
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (12/03/06)
Post by: olileauk on December 03, 2006, 08:28:14 pm
ooh, skinned version looks class.
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (12/03/06)
Post by: framed on December 03, 2006, 09:15:48 pm
ty, just a reminder that this is the color map only. the in game version will be reflective and sexier.
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (12/03/06)
Post by: .sh4k3n on December 03, 2006, 11:39:49 pm
Very very nice. I must say, though, I wouldn't mind seeing just a little more shading on the handle to give some definition to it. I mean, it looks alright, but it just looks like a cg texture and could be more realistic.
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (12/03/06)
Post by: framed on December 04, 2006, 01:18:21 am
It will all be fixed with the spec and reflection maps. The gun should almost look like the same texture as your avatar then.
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (12/03/06)
Post by: boris on December 04, 2006, 01:51:51 am
Ooh the textures make it look alot nicer.
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (12/03/06)
Post by: .sh4k3n on December 04, 2006, 02:29:27 am
It will all be fixed with the spec and reflection maps. The gun should almost look like the same texture as your avatar then.

Sweeeeet. Will it be deagle shaped too?
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (12/03/06)
Post by: boris on December 04, 2006, 04:04:41 am
Dont forgot the deagle sound!
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (12/03/06)
Post by: VC on December 04, 2006, 05:41:27 am
Having just gone through all the gun scripts recently, I can state we're really in a hole about sound effects.  If anyone out there can make good sound effects (we need legal, unencumbered sounds; no ripping or re-recordings) they might throw some stuff together.  Dev lost its sound guy a while back, apparently.
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (12/03/06)
Post by: Loafie, Hero of Dreams on December 14, 2006, 10:16:10 am
that textured beast is a true thing of beauty
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (12/03/06)
Post by: Armoured-Fury on December 14, 2006, 11:56:19 am
I really like it  ;D
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (12/03/06)
Post by: Rack on December 19, 2006, 10:35:56 pm
Erm, its a lovely model...  but thats the wrong gun  :-\  i cant help noticing this, as the magnum was probably my favourite gun in the game...

The Cougar magnum is, in real life, a Ruger magnum.  The Ruger Super Blackhawk .44/454 magnum, to be precise, with a 7.5" barrel and stainless finish- one of the worlds most powerful handguns, second only to the S&W M500. 

This normally wouldnt be too much of an issue, as a revolver is a revolver is a revolver, but in this case there is practically no similarity whatsoever between the two guns.The model you've drawn up is the old Colt Python ultimate, a comparitively measley .357 magnum designed for shooting tagets very, very neatly.  The Ruger is a WAY bigger ol' magnum based on the old western style revolver, with no swing out cylinder and an unmistakeable ejector rod (which can be seen on goldeneye is you aim far right with the gun).  It is essentially a much larger, newer and more powerful version of the gun revolver ocelot uses in MGS, the Colt Single Action Army.

Python-

(http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en-commons/a/a4/Colt_Python_-_PE.jpg)

Cal- .357 mag
barrel - 6" in that model
Designed for- targets
Double action
has appeared in countless videogames!

Blackhawk-

(http://world.guns.ru/handguns/ruger_superblackhawk.jpg)

(http://sevenya.tripod.com/magnum.jpg)

Cal- we'll say the goldeneye one is 44 mag (a LOT more powerful as 357)
barrel- 7.5" in goldeneye, overall gun is 1.5 times size of the python
Designed for- big game and people who like insanely large guns
Single action only (must thumb the hammer back between shots, though it seems to be double action in goldeneye for convenience)
Has only been in one game, goldeneye! (id been looking forward to it being redone!)  if you aim to the right with the gun you can see the ejector rod)

(BTW, the reason why the gun in the model looks like the one from Half Life is because the magunm in half life is a python!  gees, those things get into all kinds of games... which is weird, because they really aren't combat revolvers.  Mind you, the blackhawk would be even worse in a combat situation...


Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (12/03/06)
Post by: Rack on December 19, 2006, 11:28:06 pm
looks like my image stealing didnt work, so here it is hosted by myself- compare this gun with the GE cougar, they are the same (wrong colour, mind...)

(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j185/finaleman/ruger_superblackhawk.jpg)

Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (12/03/06)
Post by: nowhere on December 19, 2006, 11:51:27 pm
How many times do I have to beat it into people's heads that the GE guns ARE NOT REAL WEAPONS. They might've been based on real weapons but you can't look at one and say "That's the wrong gun." by comparing it to a picture of a real gun. If you want to say it's the wrong gun then actually compare it to the damn GE gun.
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (12/03/06)
Post by: Fro on December 20, 2006, 03:17:12 am
looks like my image stealing didnt work, so here it is hosted by myself- compare this gun with the GE cougar, they are the same (wrong colour, mind...)

(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j185/finaleman/ruger_superblackhawk.jpg)



(http://ruger.com/Firearms/images/Product-Variations/262.jpg)
(http://www.goldeneyeforever.com/images/cougar%20magnum.jpg)

Ah, never mind... I see now you're saying that's what the gun should have been modeled off of.  I don't think it's anything more than a nitpicky issue at this point about the length of the barrel, really.

I do disagree with nowhere and think the guns' looks ought to be modeled off the real weapons when possible, but when a model is already done and looking as good as the one at the beginning of this thread, there's no point in changing it.

Looks like an old render was using the right model gun before, but I guess that's what happens when you have so much turnover.
(http://moddb.com/images/cache/mods/45/4506/gallery/water_27597.jpg)
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (12/03/06)
Post by: Jonathan [Spider] on December 20, 2006, 07:37:09 am
i disagree i think the model we chose looks much closer to the gun used in GE64

i always felt more like dirty hairy running around with that hand cannon, rather than a cowboy.
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (12/03/06)
Post by: Wake[of]theBunT on December 20, 2006, 10:11:35 am
i always felt more like dirty hairy running around with that hand cannon

Quoted for what the fuck? haha
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (12/03/06)
Post by: nowhere on December 20, 2006, 11:22:40 am
I do disagree with nowhere and think the guns' looks ought to be modeled off the real weapons when possible
i disagree i think the model we chose looks much closer to the gun used in GE64
I win.
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (12/03/06)
Post by: .sh4k3n on December 20, 2006, 11:50:19 am
The guns created by the GE:S team are far superior to normal weapons, as will soon be demonstrated by the beta. These guns are smarter, faster, shinier and louder than any gun you've ever handled. Plus, I'm 90% certain there will be lazer sights, heat-guided missiles as secondary fire, and the AR-33 will be able to transform into a giant robot. Merry Christmas.
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (12/03/06)
Post by: Loafie, Hero of Dreams on December 20, 2006, 12:38:40 pm
the 6 million dollar magnum
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (12/03/06)
Post by: Fro on December 20, 2006, 02:31:56 pm
i disagree i think the model we chose looks much closer to the gun used in GE64

i always felt more like dirty hairy running around with that hand cannon, rather than a cowboy.

You're 100% right...

(http://www.newsfinder.org/images/uploads/uploads/magnum.jpg)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_James_Bond_firearms

The model rendered actually seems to be a Smith and Wesson Model 29 .44 Magnum, which IS Dirty Harry's gun.  More importantly, it was used by Roger Moore in "Live and Let Die", and I believe that's even used in the scene when he fights Baron Samedi.

And while the gun in the Goldeneye 007 Beta was clearly a Ruger, the final game in the game is radically changed from that.

So I have now have zero problems with this render.
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (12/03/06)
Post by: Xanatos on December 20, 2006, 05:21:56 pm
i always felt more like dirty hairy running around with that hand cannon, rather than a cowboy.

are ya feelin lucky ya punk? are ya?
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (12/03/06)
Post by: Sean [Baron] on December 20, 2006, 06:11:09 pm
i always felt more like dirty hairy running around with that hand cannon, rather than a cowboy.

do ya feel lucky punk? well do ya?

fixed ;)
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (12/03/06)
Post by: framed on December 20, 2006, 06:45:50 pm
i always felt more like dirty hairy running around with that hand cannon, rather than a cowboy.
Owned.

do ya feel lucky punk? well do ya?

fixed ;)
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (12/03/06)
Post by: Polizei on December 20, 2006, 08:29:42 pm
Xamplipos! You should have known that, you should have known that!
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (12/03/06)
Post by: Xanatos on December 20, 2006, 11:26:38 pm
:(

THIS LONG GUN BELONGS TO THE MAN WITH NO NAME
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (12/03/06)
Post by: Wake[of]theBunT on December 21, 2006, 03:19:14 am
Stop commenting on my package.
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (12/03/06)
Post by: Xanatos on December 21, 2006, 04:09:05 am
ok Nick007.
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (12/03/06)
Post by: NoodlePudding on December 21, 2006, 06:07:11 pm
How many times do I have to beat it into people's heads that the GE guns ARE NOT REAL WEAPONS. They might've been based on real weapons but you can't look at one and say "That's the wrong gun." by comparing it to a picture of a real gun. If you want to say it's the wrong gun then actually compare it to the damn GE gun.

Well then i have to say the gun modeled here just doesnt look like the one in the game to me.
Title: Re: [WEP] Cougar Magnum Render (12/03/06)
Post by: .sh4k3n on December 21, 2006, 10:25:51 pm
Fixed
I know nothing about modelling but I think it needs to be more geometrically square.

Okay thanks for reading this

Bye

Original
Yeh, needs 2 b mor sqare an stuff.. kthxbai