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Editing and Customization => General Discussion => Topic started by: PPK on February 14, 2009, 02:05:20 pm
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This is a suggestion that wouldn't fit the thread started to give suggestions for Beta 4 because I think it is something that will take more time.
As you know, the sniper rifle in GoldenEye 007 was supposed to be modeled after the Walther WA2000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walther_WA_2000), in the same way the DD44 Dostovei was supposed to be modeled after the TT pistol, more precisely the TT-33 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TT33) chambered for the 7.62x25mm Tokarev (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62x25mm_Tokarev) cartridge.
The result was, in the first case, a generic bolt-action sniper rifle and in the second case, a generic "blocky" pistol (according to VC).
What I propose is that the sniper rifle model is changed to go in accordance with the Walther WA2000 sniper rifle in the same way you did with the DD44 Dostovei.
Thoughts, opinions and everything else related: feel free to post them here.
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Interesting, I always thought it looked more like the M-21. The sniper rifle has similarities to the Walther too, though. Neither gun looks exactly like GE's.
(http://world.guns.ru/sniper/m21_m1a.jpg)
(http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/4980/sniperriflepl9.jpg)
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I have to go with Luchador on that one.
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I would hate to make it a real gun, its so much cooler looking exactly as it does now which reflects the n64 look much more. I <3 GE:S sniper
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agreed ge:s sniper is way cool. none of the guns really look like real guns except the ppk
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I'd say the Klobb looks like a Škorpion machine pistol.
(http://www.dreadgazebo.com/gunporn/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/gunporn-scorpion.jpg)
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I'm sorry if I did not explain myself correctly; what I meant was that the sniper rifle was supposed to resemble the Walther WA2000; that was Rare's initial intention, I guess. The final model resembles the M-21 as you said, Luchador. All I was trying to say was that it could be modele after the initial intention of Rare and not any other rifle or a general bolt-action one.
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I don't imagine it will or should stray from what it actually is in GE007.
Edit:
I predict a simultaneous post...
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I don't imagine it will or should stray from what it actually is in GE007.
I was simply giving the suggestion, seeing what happened with the DD44.
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Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm not knocking your suggestion.
It is an opinionated thread. ::)
Guess that simultaneous post isn't happening.
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Ooh, 222nd post.
Edited edit:
00 Agent? O RLY?
Huh. Wonder when that happened. (I imagine at post #200.)
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Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm not knocking your suggestion.
It is an opinionated thread. ::)
Hehe. Every opinion is valid, but perhaps I was defending mine too much. Sorry for that.
Still waiting to hear from the devs though. :D
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It wont change is your official answer. We agreed having it be its own type of look is what we really enjoy.
Your dd44 argument is sorta of different. Pistols generally have been handled as "make this look like the real gun", I believe simply because a pistol is smaller and the more you can detail it with patterns and marking and give it a real flavor the better.
Large weapons that looked iconic in GE64 have been more so replicated and updated if you delve into our design. Rather than saying, wheres the real world reference? we slam some nostalgia your way, which i love personally. I'm sure 30 or 40 people will share your viewpoint, but I dont think that is valid enough to reverse our design choice.
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Ok then. I was merely expressing my opinion, although the original DD44 did not look like the TT pistol at all.
I understand your point of view; the iconic weapons, along with their visuals should stay unaltered. If that is the dev team decision, then it is ok. I agree with it.
@Rodney: You are a 00 Agent since your 200th post.
If you want to lock this, go ahead. There is no point in continuing this discussion since the sniper rifle will not be altered.
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It looks more like a Ruger 10/22 with a custom stock.
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Who says my DD44 is blocky?... And I did model the DD44 after the TT33, just to be clear.
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http://www.lych.demon.co.uk/goldeneye/realguns.htm
Scroll down to DD44.
Interesting page. (Along with the link within the DD44 description.)
Though there seem to be some inaccuracies and missing info in there...
(And I start a new page.)
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The DD44 is supposed to be blocky, it's supposed to look not-like the TT33 because the weapon in Goldeneye 007 looks not-like the TT33.
My personal opinion is that the GES DD44 doesn't look right because it looks very thin to me for some reason.
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I should probably make all the models 20 polygons then.
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Good news for our low-framerate guys.
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Who says my DD44 is blocky?... And I did model the DD44 after the TT33, just to be clear.
The DD44 is supposed to be blocky, it's supposed to look not-like the TT33 because the weapon in Goldeneye 007 looks not-like the TT33.
My personal opinion is that the GES DD44 doesn't look right because it looks very thin to me for some reason.
After all I was right. It's just a suggestion: make the DD44 resemble the one in GE007, but make it as a replacement, sort of like a custom model, apart from the mod itself and see how may people download it and ask for their feedback on it, just to see what's the people's opinion about the gun. To be honest it was a bit of a disappointment the moment I saw the DD44 had been replaced by a TT33 (the model it was intended to be modeled after in the first place). The "magic" of the DD44 resided in the fact that it was big, loud and looked great when dual-wielded. That's what made you choose it on Archives despite you could get better weapons on that mission. Not saying your TT33 model is bad, in fact it is very detailed and well made.
If you were ever to do the DD44 like in the original, you wouldn't need to do it blocky; instead you could had much more detail and still maintain the overall shape of the gun, along with its bulkiness.
Since this a bout the sniper rifle, what's your word about it? Because I'd really like to hear it.
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I didn't model the Sniper Rifle, but to be honest, I like the model itself but I don't like how it fits for GoldenEye. Doesn't look right in first person. Probably should have been modeled with a different sniper rifle as reference.
Regarding the DD44, is there a specific real-life gun that better resembles the DD44 from the original game, other than the TT33? If you can convince me enough, maybe I'll change the model.
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The HiPoint JCP is pretty close. The DD44 appears to have a longer barrel, but that's not a big deal.
(http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/9791/ddjcp.jpg)
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The one VC pointed out is close enough and just needs the barrel lenghtened and some new colors. I will try to find other guns that you could draw inspiration from to remake the model.
I can tell you that this (http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg00-e.htm) is a good place to start looking.
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You guys really want me to model a new weapon, don't you?
If that's the case, I'm still not convinced. ;)
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You guys really want me to model a new weapon, don't you?
If that's the case, I'm still not convinced. ;)
WE WANT.
I'll look up for more pistols to get you more information. I'll do my best to get you to remodel it.
WE WANT DD44 BACK.
I think I might open a thread to discuss this subject. Do you agree (I don't want to clutter the forum with unnecessary threads)?
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The DD44 model is important since I'm switching it and PP7S in the Pistols loadout, meaning even more spawn-with-DD44 action.
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(http://www.lych.demon.co.uk/goldeneye/dostovei1.jpg)
the destovei is a real weapon. TT33 Tokorev.
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Yes. That's been established for years.
This thread is about how the DD44 in GES just doesn't look like the DD44 in Goldeneye, and that the general consensus is that a less-TT33 more-DD44 DD44 would make for a better DD44.
DD44 has a lot more grip and thickness to it than the real TT33.
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personally i dont think it needs to be changed at all.
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I like it how it is... altho i think the SFX could use more punch like the GE007 one...
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oh mannnn look at kinky gettin kinky
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Bah, am I the only one that actually likes our current DD44?
Just fatten the TT33 up and call it a day.
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(http://www.uplo4d.com/images/1375065652waiiittttt.jpg)
WAiiit a minute... nah nm.. i'm happy as is :D
Bah, am I the only one that actually likes our current DD44?
Just fatten the TT33 up and call it a day.
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Bah, am I the only one that actually likes our current DD44?
Just fatten the TT33 up and call it a day.
WTF ...read my post i like it :P
Also spinney... please never make that joke again xD ...your gonna have to be more inventive than that to pull it off :P
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What I don't like about the GES DD44: It looks a lot like the Ag7, on the ground and even on the pickup icon.
See the horizontal lines across the grip? Give DD44 the DD44 grip instead of the TT33 grip and it will look a lot better.
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You guy's are confusing.
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I like it how it is... altho i think the SFX could use more punch like the GE007 one...
I agree with that. Am I the only one who thinks that the DD44 sounds exactly like the Phantom?
(But of course the weapons all sound 1000x better then they did in Beta 1.x)
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It does because originally the DD44 sound was recycled for Phantom and then we were supposed to get Phantom its own sound and then there was Sound Effect Drama and they wound up being the same again.
I like the sound on Phantom. DD44 should get something more GE007-ish.
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I like the sound on Phantom. DD44 should get something more GE007-ish.
magreed
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About the sniper rifle, whoever did the first-person model should add a hand holding on to upwards part of the gun as it doesn't make sense as it is only being held by the trigger.
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(http://www.uplo4d.com/images/1375065652waiiittttt.jpg)
WAiiit a minute... nah nm.. i'm happy as is :D
So DD44 gonna change?
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Meli: So with dual Bishops, Bond would need four arms?
Daisy: Something will be done with DD44, but we aren't sure what. It certainly needs a better sound, and it either needs a better skin or a more stimulating model.
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(http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/5480/dd44comparison.jpg)
I still feel the current GES model looks too thin. And the ass-end looks completely different. It needs to at least be fattened up a bit and altered somewhat.
JCP for comparison.
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That is enough opinions of dd44. All the arguments for change seem to be on the table, now it will be discussed internally if anything will move with it.
Im locking this because some developers seem to be interventionist in the public area and the community took it off topic originally. (see title)