Topic: Silo? (Read 21787 times)

thedemon6661 · « **on:** August 22, 2007, 09:26:16 pm »

Hey, Will silo be created, because as a multilayer death match map, i don't think it will be very good, but what you could do instead is have a special gametype for silo only, the same as DF:BHD (delta force:black hawk down) where there are "psp's" or whatever you want to call them, set out along the level, and each team has to get to the spawn point of the opposite team, its just and idea but it sounds alright fun to me

(if you don't know what a psp is, its a spawn point separate from default set out through the levels, and each team can control them by touching it, if the other team touches it it belongs to them, this would make for a longer and tougher game =D The silo would be best for this because of its 1 way corridor route, and the corridors are quite thin so it would be difficult

Wake[of]theBunT · « **Reply #1 on:** August 22, 2007, 10:29:43 pm »

Basically DOD:Silo with GE:S materials, i love the idea from a game-mode perspective, but honestly the map should be revisioned for MP flow, so if that is the prevailing consensus, your proposal will not be possible on the official GE:S map ge_silo

Just a heads up. Dont get me wrong, i like the idea you put forth.

thedemon6661 · « **Reply #2 on:** August 22, 2007, 10:52:03 pm »

Ah right, thats for liking it lol, but i see why it cant be done

Semedi · « **Reply #3 on:** August 22, 2007, 11:48:14 pm »

Yeah, we plan to offer every single player map in the multiplayer mode of Goldeneye: Source. Obviously, some of them are very linear and were never designed for use in multiplayer. In those cases, we usually add aditional routes to improve the maps flow for multiplayer gameplay. I'm sure that will be the case with Silo.

WNxBIGBIRD · « **Reply #4 on:** August 25, 2007, 03:47:08 pm »

Yeah I agree with the fact that you need to improvise and redirect some of the level's paths in order to have a steadly flow. Otherwise you end up going around the whole level killing the same person in the same spot.

Doc.NO · « **Reply #5 on:** August 28, 2007, 02:03:17 am »

Quote from: WNxBIGBIRD on August 25, 2007, 03:47:08 pm

Yeah I agree with the fact that you need to improvise and redirect some of the level's paths in order to have a steadly flow. Otherwise you end up going around the whole level killing the same person in the same spot.

Yea, too: just play on facility_classic... Boring

Semedi · « **Reply #6 on:** August 28, 2007, 07:00:12 am »

Quote from: Doc.NO on August 28, 2007, 02:03:17 am

Yea, too: just play on facility_classic... Boring

Ouch!

Janus · « **Reply #7 on:** August 28, 2007, 07:23:11 am »

Silo was by far my fave map on N64 GE

CrzChris4 · « **Reply #8 on:** August 30, 2007, 11:09:01 pm »

Silo was one of my favorites, but I'm waiting for Dam. I can't wait to hear Robertson's track for Dam.

Xanatos · « **Reply #9 on:** September 03, 2007, 07:34:26 am »

really all you have to do to silo is make the the beginning, end, and middle connect and add some more alternate paths and you should be set, really. maybe a few more open areas where these new paths are. it would take some serious revamping other than just that to make it good for deathmatch and teamplay, but that's to be expected.

gametype ideas are great too, just aim for an idea that is suitable for all the maps.

thedemon6661 · « **Reply #10 on:** September 03, 2007, 11:30:50 am »

as a alernate route around the level, if anyone remem,bers the onld 64 goldeneye and he vent at the bottom of the silo? well i cant remember where i seen it but it was origonally used as a elevator their, now it could be revamped inot a set of stairs spanning around the outside of the level?

Cyan · « **Reply #11 on:** October 05, 2007, 02:05:37 am »

Random thoughts on additional routes that could also would supliment original layout to remain unchanged.

Additional Vertical Movement
Since the original was four silos with a path that moved in a spiral fashion around it could make it a double/multi helix and not interfere with the original path. And/or the existing elevator could access the original floor, a bottom floor and the surface. (if elevator moves, and a floor on the bottom and a surface were created to allow access to all spirals)

This would probably only support a max of 4 spirals if kept original path and others were similar to it. Due to each silo being accessed on at least two levels fights between spirals would occur but could be difficult to collect weapons from opponents you kill. (Assuming spirals have limited access on middle floors)

Additional Horizontal Movement
Their were door sized exhaust vents on the floor of the silos (though the player did not originally be able to go to the floor of the silo) that could be used to make a bottom floor to move between the spiral paths and have elevator access. (styling cues of exhaust area could come from Aztec level) Have a surface level allowing access to each by jumping through the silo door from the surface. Periodic crossover points to other spirals scattered between levels.

Mercury · « **Reply #12 on:** October 29, 2007, 02:42:54 am »

I think the old silo elevator from the beta should be reintroduced. It effectively connected the top and bottom levels.

(Despite all the misinformation on the net about where this elevator was located, it's really not a big mystery. It was located just to the right of the first door in the level. Notice the railing is missing at that location. The railing is also missing at the corresponding point on the top level. There is a picture on the back of the original game box that shows the elevator quite clearly, in that exact position.)

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Sporkfire · « **Reply #13 on:** October 29, 2007, 11:47:42 pm »

I'm mapping silo as of right now. Give more detail on this "elevator" though.

Mercury · « **Reply #14 on:** October 30, 2007, 01:33:01 am »

Obviously I haven't seen it myself. There are only two glimpses (that I know of) of the elevator. One is the pic from the back of GE box I included. The other is this video, which is apparently from way back when GE was still being developed as an "on-rails" type game.

The elevator shaft itself was just made up of metal girders (or whatever they're called) on three sides with an X-inside-a-square pattern. The fourth side was simply the wall of the silo itself. I have no idea what the carriage looked like, but it was apprently open in the front (the side facing into the silo), and I suspect open on the left and right sides as well. I think it was basically a floor, maybe a ceiling, and the rest made of girders like the shaft. This would make any person travelling in the elevator fully exposed to weapons fire at all times.

The location was in the silo with the start point (silo 4-H4) and ran along the wall section with the weaker red lights. (Two sides in each silo have red lights, but one set is much brighter.)

At the bottom, this is right beside the very first door in the map. At the top, it's at the end of the semi-circular walkway, almost directly opposite the door.

That's about all I know about the elevator.

Sporkfire · « **Reply #15 on:** October 30, 2007, 03:16:08 am »

I have a long way to go before finish the map, so I might include the elevator.

Mercury · « **Reply #16 on:** October 30, 2007, 12:41:00 pm »

It's just a suggestion. Use your own judgement.

There are also two inaccessible walkways in the map. Both on the fourth level, in silos 4-H4 and 4-C3. Something could be done with those.

Silo has lots of possibilities.

m-p{3} · « **Reply #17 on:** November 05, 2007, 09:12:16 pm »

Also note that you can see some air vents from the silos. Would be nice to be able to walk inside these.

Mercury · « **Reply #18 on:** November 07, 2007, 07:53:37 pm »

Crappy map of Silo (Heavily modified by me. The original had major errors.):

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Cyan · « **Reply #19 on:** November 08, 2007, 03:19:43 am »

Yea I was looking at the original map when a few weeks ago and noticed that the way they had it the silos didnt even match up.

Mercury · « **Reply #20 on:** November 08, 2007, 05:36:01 am »

For some reason this map is holding my interest. I hated it in the original game, but as a modified multiplayer arena, it has huge possibilities.

I took a walk around Silo today using my Gameshark to display the player coordinates. Some things I noted:

-Each individual silo is approximately 800 units in diameter. Just an eyeball estimate, but I think these units might represent centimeters. This would mean the silos are 8 meters across.
-The center of each silo is approx. 2700 units from the center of the adjacent silo.
-The elevator at the end of the map is sitting on top of the hallway just before the entrance to Silo Y (4-K2) on the floor below. So this elevator cannot possibly go down, unless its location is changed.
-Oddly, on the fourth floor, the entrances to Silo 4-K2 (silo Y) and 4-A1 (silo Z) have their markings swapped so they identify the opposite silo. Looks like the programmers themselves got confused!
-The final entrance to silo 4-H4 (silo W) on the fifth floor is marked with "Do not enter" symbols instead of the silo number.

Sorry if any of this is already known info.

Mercury · « **Reply #21 on:** November 08, 2007, 06:14:29 am »

A few more notes:

-Silo 4-H4 is accessible from three floors (four if you count the inaccessible walkway). If you restore the beta elevator, this will be by far the most "busy" silo.

-Consider that since GE:S allows jumping, people will be able to hop down from the walkways to other walkways below.

-The two inaccessible walkways need to either be removed or somehow connected to the rest of the map. The most obvious connection to Silo W is to extend the fourth floor hallway past the fuel room, turn it left, stairs down a little bit and done.

- SIlo X is more tricky. I see two options: either a direct connection from the surface (if you include it), OR from the exit area create a new hallway going left, then turn it right, a long flight of stairs down, right again and done (so basically you wrap around silo Y).

- Since people can hop down to the bottom of each silo, there should be some way up from there. In the original game, there is a small ladder connecting the bottom and the first-floor walkway in silo W. Maybe ladders like this in the other silos?

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