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[XGII]

Wondering why the dev tag is next to my name

[Graslu]

I'm surprised that you're confused about this since you clearly just modified your files to do this and it's client-side only. It's obvious that it's a modified achievement badge because Camper Steve also has it (Golden skull). I can see Paco also owns the Damascus Magnum. Weird.

[Torn]

[null]

Wondering why the dev tag is next to my name

Hey Turok, I was tweaking my server and that's why you got them.

[XGII]

Aight it's all good. Love how Graslu assumes it was my fault though like I did it. What a great guy I must say. Feel like a cork board that is beyond the size of comprehension yet in some way even though I can see the darts flying towards me. They never once pin to me from lack of understanding. But since I'm beyond the size of comprehension all those people who are responsible are never seen because they are behind me yet in some way those darts still miss me. Really odd honestly but hey happy to be here and be blamed. Love it really shows how much devs love their community.

[XGII]

It's very clear how "obvious" and "clearly" patronizing someone can bluntly be and how "obviously" & "clearly". Really tells a story and is a way to protect themselves amongst their fellow peers because very very very few people can actually "read" into the "obvious" and "clearly" it "obviously" and "clearly" is. But hey my lips are sealed mate  keep going I say. Or reword somethings you say so that it isn't as "obvious" and "clear" to pick up on. Therefore in return you show some "humility" and actual "respect" towards others in real life to .

[XGII]

yay

[Torn]

It's very clear how "obvious" and "clearly" patronizing someone can bluntly be and how "obviously" & "clearly". Really tells a story and is a way to protect themselves amongst their fellow peers because very very very few people can actually "read" into the "obvious" and "clearly" it "obviously" and "clearly" is. But hey my lips are sealed mate  keep going I say. Or reword somethings you say so that it isn't as "obvious" and "clear" to pick up on. Therefore in return you show some "humility" and actual "respect" towards others in real life to .

I'm uncertain what kind of "humility" you demonstrated when you "clearly" and "obviously" disregarded the moderation team and forum rules the other week, and after having been given concise reasoning and expectations, decided to post such things as:

The fact I have to try and get my point across to you people is annoying in itself

I'm going to keep posting this because I shouldn't have to explain this and hold anyone's hand as to why.

FUCK YOU I still lose just as much eat your heart out

You were saying something about people being "patronizing" and not showing "respect" to others?

[Mangley]

Never mind the dev tag, it looks like there's something seriously wrong with your game. Have you got GPU drivers installed?

[Entropy-Soldier]

Hey Turok, I was tweaking my server and that's why you got them.

I always kind of assumed someone smart enough to mess with this stuff would also be smart enough to know not to mess with it.
Running a server with a non-official binary, giving out fake dev tags, or distastefully hijacking the skins system are all things that are going to get you on the bad side of the dev team and get your servers blacklisted in 5.1.

There are many avenues for modding and adding custom content into GE:S, but please respect the sanctity of stuff like this.  I feel like it should be really obvious not to mess with this kind of thing and it's not entirely clear what you've done or what your end goal is, but consider this an explicit warning not to do the above.  There's only so much I can do to prevent abuse of these systems without severely limiting what people can do with their servers, which I do not want to do.

So, again, not saying you did or are planning on doing anything of that nature, just making sure you know our stance on it.

[XGII]

Right clearly I was in the wrong for having a channel being watched by dev teams. The game is a mod therefore I can mod it and is inside your dev folder. Was only a matter of time some one was to eventually start modding a mod. I made the game have more things that should have been added already. But I did it for you, glad you can quote mate. Try reading that post a little slower because it has a very "clear" and "obvious" message.

You guys come from counter strike (for whatever reason I'll never know) and I come from Quake which has every little thing that I've been adding to the game. Source is a build off of the Quake engine soooooo having to explain and paint a picture is very very hard since you wanna bring "last week" up.

How can I ever get banned if I never did anything to the game? you left the folder and one of your skins can become a brightskin. I already found a solution for when you guys fix your game. Show some humility mate! Again stop acting like this. You really are "clearly" and "obviously" showing how you feel towards your own community.

Pretty sure I can also make your character models vertexed like they should be. I'm in no way close to being in the wrong on this. What I have done is basically made your "mod" not game your "mod". Not your mod anymore. I don't use your music, I made the characters sound like the n64 character (like they should have been), I've made variety of distinction based on personal preference when shooting other players. I've changed all your guns to sound like perfect dark, and finally the best part about everything. Is I've made your game more "competitive". I'm bringing  much variety and makes me wonder what people thought way back in the day when bright models were first introduced in the Quake community. Probably the same thing that is happening right now.

Think everyone needs to watch some George Carlin and kinda relax .. yah know?

For all you devs know is that sooner or later everyone will have these brightskins and eventually you will all come around. And maybe then the "humility" will finally come to be.

*Try not to live in the past as if it holds some form of credibility. when you and your other buddy buddy dev there were calling me a hacker and stalking my channel to afraid to actually confront me and not even close to admitting you have been purposely posting videos to have me banned on other servers. I say what I want and how it is. Going into the shadows to do certain things makes you no better. Also kinda means you've admitted to the above as well. Again humility is key mate. George Carlin.*

[XGII]

Just a little observation for you to based upon your comment. You didn't address anything other than the very end which you wanted to address. And vaguely addressed it to with literally nothing based upon the actual message. Goes to show the blinders people decide to wear.

Also for your Entropy-Soldier. I didn't distastefully hijack anything. Man it's hard repeating myself when all it takes is a few renames of a file here and a file there. You are a counter strike and I'm a quake guy. We will never see eye to eye. But again everything you saw was left inside your guys dev folder within materials. That along with one of your rocket launcher skins can have the values changed by the R G B settings in the file to change the color and brightness.

I don't wanna say this but it seems I have to ....... Don't .... You ...... Know ........ Your ..... Own ....... Game??

distasteful: causing dislike or disgust; offensive; unpleasant.

hijacking: illegally seize (files) and force it to go to a different destination or use it for one's own purposes.

Variety: is a principle of design that refers to a way of combining visual elements to achieve intricate and complex relationships. It is a technique used by artists who wish to increase the visual interest of their work.

Distinction: a difference or contrast between similar things or people.

Visual aid: an item of illustrative matter, such as a film, slide, or model, designed to supplement written or spoken information so that it can be understood more easily.

^^^So to me it's art ... ^^^And for you ... I guess it doesn't really make sense? .... But to each their own, and opinion is such a sin I must say.

[soupcan]

Regardless what you might think about these "mods of a mod", it's still distastefully modifying things to give you an (even if perceived) advantage or to, in the case of this thread, misrepresent the mod and its creators (even if it's not necessarily your doing, the point still stands). It shouldn't need any debate why that might be wrong or why we don't encourage this sort of behavior.

You've been warned multiple times for this and other things, and yet you still continue. Your account is banned from posting indefinitely.

[Entropy-Soldier]

Also for your Entropy-Soldier. I didn't distastefully hijack anything. Man it's hard repeating myself when all it takes is a few renames of a file here and a file there. You are a counter strike and I'm a quake guy. We will never see eye to eye. But again everything you saw was left inside your guys dev folder within materials. That along with one of your rocket launcher skins can have the values changed by the R G B settings in the file to change the color and brightness.

Please note that in my post I was talking directly to null, not to you.  It starts with a quote from him and it talks entirely about server modification with the stated course of action being to blacklist a server.  While we don't approve of certain mods you've made to your client, we have little interest in banning people for stuff like that.  We merely did not want you to distribute such mods as it violated the rules of the community releases section.  Beyond that, the only thing you've done that warranted administrative action is to completely misinterpret everything we've tried to tell you and proceed to go on some sort of crusade against us.

You're not banned for your client mods, though they're certainly in an ethically grey area and aren't going to be looked fondly upon, they alone do not warrant any punitive action.  You have been banned because ever since we stopped you from distributing them through our own official channels you've been trying to provoke us and cause trouble.  Please understand that we don't want to do this to anyone, but letting you constantly cause trouble on our forums reflects badly on us and our project.  I was really hoping things would turn around but clearly not.


For the record:

Tasteful client side mods are completely fine!  I actually play with a few of these, and I love some of the ones our community has made.
Distasteful client side mods will be frowned upon, but administrative action will be limited to restricting their distribution.

Distasteful client side mods can be considered anything that has a primary purpose of giving players an unfair advantage in-game.  Brightskins and wallhack skins fall under this category.  Client side scripts that use the source engine's scripting system are fine.  Anything that abuses an exploit is not.

[CptLima]

The game is a mod therefore I can mod it and is inside your dev folder. Was only a matter of time some one was to eventually start modding a mod.

Yeah... it's a mod... but it's THEIR mod, and no matter how much you or anyone else mods it, they spent infinitely more time developing and perfecting it... so, as a member of the community that you claim they don't respect, I trust their judgement when they something is not a good idea.

Think everyone needs to watch some George Carlin and kinda relax .. yah know?

Yeah... I think in the amount of time you've spent typing responses on this one meaningless topic, you could have watched 3 or 4 entire George Carlin HBO specials... so if anyone needs to relax, it's probably you... especially your over-the-top, righteous indignation over being called out for something (fake DEV tags) that, in the grand scheme of things, amounts to utter nonsense.

I love this mod, particularly because it's so faithful to the original game we all loved, and it's successful because of what this Dev Team did over many years to build it... please don't be one of the people who dilutes and compromises it because it doesn't conform to your arbitrary standards.