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Hosting Felicity.
« on: May 16, 2011, 02:18:22 pm »

I downloaded the three Perfect Dark maps from the Traitors Gate server and the other two work fine but the game crashes at the point of loading resources when I try to host a game with Felicity. I'm able to join a game on the map although it does appear to re-download the ain file each time. Am I just missing a file?
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Re: Hosting Felicity.
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2011, 04:02:41 pm »

Facility?
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Re: Hosting Felicity.
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2011, 04:19:51 pm »

Felicity.  The PD fruits have soiled our mod.
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Re: Hosting Felicity.
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2011, 06:40:36 pm »

I'm sorry but it has little robot vacuums keeping the carpets clean. Can you honestly tell me that that wasn't the one thing missing from the original GoldenEye?
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Re: Hosting Felicity.
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2011, 08:29:35 pm »

The map is locked so only certain servers can host it. Its to keep the map distribution to a minimum. WNx and TG are really the only servers with permission to use the map.
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Re: Hosting Felicity.
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2011, 08:52:09 pm »

It's a shame this mod died, I only played on it once, I went on for the first time one day and there was someone else there, we were playing for 3 hours or so, it was so much fun. Unfortunately I never got that lucky again, in the end I just gave up , the servers are all gone now as well. Ah well, never mind.
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Re: Hosting Felicity.
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2011, 09:49:28 pm »

Oh okay, fair enough. Is that the only map with such restrictions in place?
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Re: Hosting Felicity.
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2011, 10:02:46 pm »

Yeah the PD maps should be the only maps with this restriction.

PD had a mean server issue. Would crash servers after a short game time, Similar to beta1. So Kraid got permission to mod the maps for ge:s, but put a restriction on so would keep distribution down, and other mods couldn't use. Maps are great, shame can't play them on there own mod.
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Re: Hosting Felicity.
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2011, 11:43:00 pm »

Maps are great, shame can't play them on there own mod.

It's still possible to play 2 player with a friend though if you select "Create Server" option. I've just been running around on the mod today and thinking what a shame it's dead.
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Re: Hosting Felicity.
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2011, 11:00:01 am »

wait you mean the Perfect Dark Source Mod?
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Re: Hosting Felicity.
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2011, 02:10:27 pm »

Yes, Perfect Dark Source, I installed it yesterday, unfortunately there are no servers anymore, but I believe it's still possible to hook up with a mate for a 2 player.
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Re: Hosting Felicity.
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2011, 06:20:28 pm »

So let me get this straight.

PD junk has DRM.
GES maps are being ripped and used on Counter Strike.

Am I the only one who sees two problems facing opposite directions here?
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Re: Hosting Felicity.
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2011, 06:28:27 pm »

Am I the only one who sees two problems facing opposite directions here?

All squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares.
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Re: Hosting Felicity.
« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2011, 08:56:44 pm »

Whats the problem? Don't see how it effects this great mod.
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Re: Hosting Felicity.
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2011, 09:17:21 pm »

Whats the problem? Don't see how it effects this great mod.

You put hard work and time into a project.
Someone steals it from you for another game, He gives you no credit and whatsoever takes all the credit for all the work, While all he did was run VMEX to rip the map and compile it to fit the other game.

That's the problem.

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Re: Hosting Felicity.
« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2011, 02:17:14 am »

oh well i suppose in the end we have goldeneye source :D and well Perfect Dark XBLA

shame that the mod is dead- maybe they could transfer some of the things into the GE Source mod like the NASA agent skin (he could be redubbed- Zykoskys Bodyguard or something)

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Re: Hosting Felicity.
« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2011, 02:35:56 am »

Zykoskys Bodyguard or something

Who?
You mean Valentin Zukovsky?

(Unsure because I didn't beat PD yet.)

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Re: Hosting Felicity.
« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2011, 08:35:41 am »

You put hard work and time into a project.
Someone steals it from you for another game, He gives you no credit and whatsoever takes all the credit for all the work, While all he did was run VMEX to rip the map and compile it to fit the other game.

That's the problem.

Of course, I wasn't really thinking about it like that, but the fact they even want to steal it to play on Counter Strike Source is a bit of a kick in the teeth for the CSS team as well, but lets face it, the GE:S maps are definitely superior. Maybe we should combine and have Golden Strike Source (ONLY JOKING).
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Re: Hosting Felicity.
« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2011, 05:23:02 pm »

Yeah, There was some Counter-Strike 1.6 server with a Goldeneye Mod back in the day. If you want to call it a mod... Basically, Custom GE Skins and maps, And it was FFA. The rest was the same.

I have no idea who was the authors of the maps and skins though.

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Re: Hosting Felicity.
« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2011, 05:03:41 pm »

Some rigging tests i've done a while ago.


Even a famose bounty hunter made an apeareance:


Now she looks like that in UDK:


Unlike most other mods it's very easy to add new characters to GES (as always, well done KM).
Unfortunatly i see no possibility to have downloadable characters.
Even if the server would provide all neccessary files for the character, some things cannot be changed at runtime.

As for the PD:S maps, they were ported because of popular demand.
Complex and felicity should crash at startup while villa will start but wont give you any weapon spawns.
They'll only work correctly, even with team and token based game mods when played on servers which are allowed to host them.
In fact complex and felicity are the original maps straight from PD:S only with custom textures packed into them.

As for DRM, like major said, this was one of the conditions for porting the maps.
This special kind of copy protection will only work with custom maps.
Since (AFAIK) the decompiling tools haven't been updated since EP1, they should still have issues with decompiling EP2 engine maps, so not many ppl will be able to get their hands on our new maps.
I've also heared that there is a possibility to add a special prefab to the map in order to prevent decompiling.
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Re: Hosting Felicity.
« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2011, 07:30:02 pm »

From what I've seen its pretty easy to block a decompile. Was going to do it for dam, but never go far enough to need to add. I've tested maps that will crash the decompile app when trying to run.
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Re: Hosting Felicity.
« Reply #21 on: May 21, 2011, 02:19:51 am »

Any way you can block a decompile i can get around it. There is no way to block a decompile. Just put an easter egg in the map so that even if they do, the talent less monkeys wont remove that and at least every one will know that its your map still.
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« Reply #22 on: May 21, 2011, 04:50:11 am »

Yeah but the common noobs will be detoured.
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Re: Hosting Felicity.
« Reply #23 on: May 21, 2011, 10:10:30 am »

Everything can be decompiled, ripped or cracked, the only question is how much skill is required to do it.
As for the PD:S maps, it seems either the protection is working or noone wants these maps.
I doubt it's possibility two.

Despite all the work putted into figuring out the best way to make these maps working in GES, it wasn't done because of selfish interrests. It's a service for all the fans of PD (and PD:S) and everyone else who wants to play these awesome maps.

You won't find my sig or any clan tags in these maps, the only addition should be the game text messages displayed at startup to credit the PD:S team.
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« Reply #24 on: May 21, 2011, 01:51:16 pm »

It's a shame this mod died, I only played on it once, I went on for the first time one day and there was someone else there, we were playing for 3 hours or so, it was so much fun. Unfortunately I never got that lucky again, in the end I just gave up , the servers are all gone now as well. Ah well, never mind.

You scared the crap out of me. I thought you were referring to GES mod that died. Thank goodness its still active. Phew!
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« Reply #25 on: May 22, 2011, 02:58:37 am »

You scared the crap out of me. I thought you were referring to GES mod that died. Thank goodness its still active. Phew!

Goldeneye Source would never die its just too awesome to kill a bit like Bruce Campbell....
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« Reply #26 on: May 22, 2011, 07:29:16 am »

Bruce Cambell's a legend, even more so than Goldeneye.
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« Reply #27 on: May 22, 2011, 10:29:47 am »

Bruce Campbell + Goldeneye = The Most Epic Thing on The Planet...

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« Reply #28 on: May 22, 2011, 11:46:01 am »

I'd love to be able to select Bruce as a character, but I don't think the other characters would get a look in anymore. Novelty characters would be cool in the mod. Could you put Kerry Katona & Jordan as bots for target practice? Would be some great stress relief.
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