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killermonkey:
Binoculars prolly wouldn't get them anywhere. These helicopters can attack at a great distance. See how long it takes from the sound of the bullet to the dirt kicking up, about 2-3 seconds. They are at least 1000 yards away, from my experience, even at 600 yards with a really good scope you can barely see anything.

Gabbo:

--- Quote from: killermonkey on April 05, 2010, 08:22:59 pm ---Would you rather have radical and unpredictable people such as Saddam Hussein running around? Clearly this isolated incident is deplorable, however, the war in Iraq has done a lot more good than bad for the people of that country. They are a proud people and a strong people. It is clear that they embrace their new freedom and will be moving very rapidly back into place with society at large.

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Embracing their new freedom by trying to get American soldiers out, through whatever means necessary.


--- Quote from: Wake[of]theBunT on April 05, 2010, 09:53:55 pm ---Im not going to watch it because I know ive seen worse around, but I can say I dont know why youtube doesnt kill the video, its not a thing for kids to see and kids will watch shit like this.

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It's initially hosted on wikileaks, so even if youtube drops it, it'll still be around.

Sergeant Kelly:
It's a damn shame they made that mistake. Poor reporters..
Shit does happen though. Friendly fire often claims the lives of both our soldiers and the civilians.

It's terrible and a tragedy, but in war it's sadly almost inevitable.

Mangley:
It's inexcusable. Mistaking a camera for an RPG is one thing, but gunning down a crowd of people just because one of them appears to have a weapon is monsterous.

What they did to the van was even more outrageous though, they had no idea who was in it, it was just a family in the wrong place at the wrong time stopping to help an injured guy who had been left to die. Listen to the gunner willing him to reach for a weapon so he can finish him off.

Sure, there's always collateral damage in war and innocent people die. But in every individual instance it is avoidable. There are many documented instances in the Iraq war of the US using deplorable methods like baiting tactics. I don't think it's so well reported in the US, there is a media bubble that filters out a lot of negative reporting against the US operations in the middle east.

As long as you're sending humans to do any work there will always be mistakes, corruption, lies, cover-ups. Not every soldier is righteous and of the upstanding integrity that they have sworn to, many just join the military to 'see some action'.

If I walk down the street with a rolled up carpet over my shoulder, am I going to get gunned down? No, but there's something very wrong with the fact that it becomes a lot more likely I would be if I happened to live in a war zone.

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