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[VC]

ITT: Little things I'm doing for the point update.

1) The Living Daylights.

One problem in teamplay was people not noticing the balance of flag possession.  So this will now be displayed on the HUD so you can tell at a glance how quickly your team is gaining or losing ground, and what proportion of enemies are carriers or warriors.


After action report as a multitexture? wtf mang

[VC]

2) Live and Let Die

The overhead progress bar is now enabled for Live and Let Die, hinting at how many players remain in the round.  Its color reflects whether or not the Golden Gun is held.  For detailed stats, the scoreboard now highlights the Baron, AuG-holder, and who is eliminated or was in after the lock.

[Rodney 1.666]

wtf mang indeed.

[coolDisguise]

Nice, finally no more people asking "who is Baron atm?" and stuff because they are too lazy or whatever to check the scoreboard and READ it.

I really like the idea of coloring it. Simple, but useful.

Will there be an option to hide those bars you just put in?
It's just... I don't think I'll need them and therefore they'd
only be blocking my sight, reminding me of WoW and 10k+ addons for raids.
Just kidding, it actually was 3, but yet they filled almost all of my screen
and there was just a tiny spot for me to look through all the bars/timers so I could see what was going on.

Back on topic: an option to turn them on/off even if it's just via console would be appreciated.

[Kinky]

Agreed with CD..

CVAR would do the job but i think a menu option would be better because you could cite how to turn it off in the scenario instructions.

[VC]

No, because the bars are triggered on all clients as a whole.  I will hear suggestions on placement, are they a little too low?

[coolDisguise]

Well, they're very long and very central and therefore obscure the most important part of the screen.
Since they only provide additional but not essential information I'd shorten them and move them to the sides (like the team point counter for MI6 and Janus, which in contrary, provides more important information).

Maybe it's even better having at least the remaing players count as a number (colored golden if someone has the AuG).

As you said they are triggered as a whole, you meant the point counters (when holding a flag) and the new ones, resp. Samedi's voodoo gauge and the player count are displayed "all or nothing"?
A possible solution would be - if you considered it - having the new bars triggered, but with the option of being invisible. (e.g. their lenghts set to 0)

[Mangley]

I'm not a big fan of the bars. I understand they're a stand-in, but they're butt-ugly. I think you could place them either side of the radar in a verticle positions since that is quite redundant space.

[killermonkey]

It is not a trivial matter to say "show this bar not that bar because I am picky". This, in my opinion, is essential gameplay information. It also draws you into and makes you aware of the gameplay happening around you. For that reason alone, the bars are staying.

They are not ugly, they are functional. They don't have stupid frills around them and dead space, it is pure information, and thats the way they will remain.

A vertical option is in the works, but I have to recode the bar (Valve does not supply a vertical bar...)

[VC]

I definately want to go vertical with the Living Daylights bars, either moving them to the bottom with their friends, or to the right, allowing overlap with epic item gets.

For L&LD, I'm still thinking.

[Mangley]

They are not ugly, they are functional. They don't have stupid frills around them and dead space, it is pure information, and thats the way they will remain.

It would be nice if they could in some way match the 'style' of the health/armor display. The bars are functional, but there's a stark contrast between them and what I would call the polished HUD elements like the radar and scoreboard.

[coolDisguise]

It is not a trivial matter to say "show this bar not that bar because I am picky". This, in my opinion, is essential gameplay information. It also draws you into and makes you aware of the gameplay happening around you. For that reason alone, the bars are staying.

They are not ugly, they are functional. They don't have stupid frills around them and dead space, it is pure information, and thats the way they will remain.

A vertical option is in the works, but I have to recode the bar (Valve does not supply a vertical bar...)

I understand it's not that easy making the player select EVERY bar he/she wants to see/not to see, it was just about the new ones.
Maybe it will look better if they are vertical and on the sides - I'm just going to see what you'll do with it.
May I bet you'll have players running around and having no clue what to do nevertheless? :p
Basically because there are too many people who just played CS or CoD prior to GE: S, so they're not all that used to reading and thinking, but only shooting it seems. Often people play L&LD mode and are too lazy to press X, playing it like deathmatch or camping with the AuG and wondering why they can't respawn when Samedi gets them - it's sad.

Another thing, though offtopic, I thought I might just mention along with it: will there be achievements encouraging the newer game modes?
So far it's only these 2 YOLT achievements and some that encourage MWGG (Scaramanga's pride/Shaken but not disturbed) and LTK (Shaken but not disturbed).
It would be nice to have some for L&LD and Living Daylights as well, as there were some ideas floating around in the Beta 4 achievement thread, at least for L&LD.

[VC]

Repositioned bars in LD, switched bar for a numeric display in L&LD.


Rudimentary achievement support should be in the code by now, but we haven't started any implementation yet, as far as I know.

[coolDisguise]

Well, it's looking good!
So I'd be happy with that (position and size).
I guess the radar starts like half a bar on the right of those.

[VC]

It depends on your aspect ratio.  I can't attach them to the mini-scorecard because Valve.  So on a 4:3, they'll butt up against it tightly. On widescreen it will be spaced further from it.

[Sergeant Kelly]

I like that corner position a lot. It's far more minimalistic and aesthetically pleasing than the previous setup.

[killermonkey]

Here's a full screen image of YOLT with new vertical progress bar and scoreboard coloring:

[Kinky]

do like

+1 vertical bars

[Wake[of]theBunT]

I'm the only one to notice VC has been missing for over 10 days on the forum and almost a month on steam? WTFizzle I should play GE:S right now, i may have a chance to do better lolol

[killermonkey]

I noticed about 3 weeks ago. I thought he was dead but he is just on sobatical.
And yes, now is the time to sneak in some stats scoring haha. However, bigbird is out there raping on a daily basis

[keefy]

Are thoee bars staying no matter what?
Do they only appear with +showscores?? If so then disregard the below stuffs
 Of course enable them by default but for those that know what they are doing and do not need them please give the option to remove.

Maybe make it an option for  +command as well so when the key is pressed it shows the display and let go it vanishes.
Have 1 comamnd for all gametypes so ti adds the info to screen or removes it no matter what the game type is instead of haing multiple cvars for each mmode 1 does them all.

Just ideas.

[killermonkey]

@Keefy

Once you add an option to do all or nothing there will be 10 more people asking for individual removal options. It's Pandora's box. Essential gameplay information will be on at all times, there is no reason to want to remove it, it doesn't take up screen space you would be using for anything else.

[keefy]

Cant really tell in those pics becasue they are not full pics and the one u post had +showscores on.

I think it would be better in top right corner.
Would it be moveble by editing a .res file?