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need help spreading the love
« on: January 11, 2010, 10:13:53 am »

hey I've been away for quite some time overseas.  I'd liuke to start up GES on a Lan with some friends of mine but I am the only one who has a copy of the game. Our internet connection out here is deplorable and almost non  existent and I regrettably deleted the installer long ago.  Is there a way i can copy the files from my Steam folder into someone elses? if so could I get list of them? are they all in the GES folder or are some essential files elsewhere aswell?

Also I'd like to try to get LAN going and I havent found any definate explaination of how to do this, and help? 
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Re: need help spreading the love
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2010, 12:22:02 pm »

Just copy the mod's directory tree and restart Steam.  It will appear for all Steam accounts on that machine.
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Re: need help spreading the love
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2010, 02:44:47 pm »

Just copy the mod's directory tree and restart Steam.  It will appear for all Steam accounts on that machine.
And you will still require 2 legal copies of Half-Life 2 8)

PS: Oh and the Orange Box SDK, which I don't know if you can even copy that... In the case you run Linux you can just copy paste your entire Wine folder ::) But most n00bs still use Windows ::) ::) ::)
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Re: need help spreading the love
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2010, 04:00:34 pm »

You don't need Orange Box SDK unless you are mapping.  Just an Orange Box game to grant you a license to download and run the engine.

Most noobs think operating systems are black and white.  Linux for desktopping, Windows for gaming.  Goldeneye Source (Beta 4 WIP at least) likes to crash under Wine; something to do with the HUD I think.  I can dev and trial my scenarios under Linux, but I can't play it for fun or betatest without returning to Windows.

No sense in copying though; install Steam on an NTFS drive in Windows, then msiexec Steam and make a symbolic link from your Wine Steam directory to the NTFS installation.  Works good man; no duplicating of many gigs, config files, etc.  Probably don't even need to actually install Steam to Wine, but I did to ensure registry keys are established.
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Re: need help spreading the love
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2010, 04:16:03 pm »

The account that it will be played from must have a bought Source game on it and therefore own Source SDK.

The machine that it will be played from must have Source SDK Base 2007 installed.

Aside from that you should just be able to copy your gesource directory from steamapps/source mods/ to the steamapps/source mods/ folders on all the other machines.
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Re: need help spreading the love
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2010, 05:06:36 pm »

AFAIK, the source game doesn't need to be a Orangebox engine game anymore, since valve released the sdk base 2007, you're able to play OB/EP2 engine mods, no matter which engine version your source game is.
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Re: need help spreading the love
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2010, 05:14:29 pm »

Goldeneye Source (Beta 4 WIP at least) likes to crash under Wine; something to do with the HUD I think.
Check the 'source games crashes' bug reports and the comments on how to work around it. Hasn't crashed on me since... And the NTFS link is Bad (TM), which can also lead to crashes. Have you tried Wine 1.1.36? Since 1.1.35 things are starting to work really well. 1.1.36 has better shader support and a lot of other fixes ;)

Linking to your Windows drive is always bad. I think it has something to do with the registry not being read out? :-\
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Re: need help spreading the love
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2010, 01:51:03 am »

I'm still on Wine 1.1.35, but the problem is very specific for me.  It runs fine until I hit tab to show the scoreboard (95%+ chance of a crash) or touch a pickup after we added the custom pickup pictures. (Seems to happen more in certain parts of certain maps, other areas it never crashes.)
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Re: need help spreading the love
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2010, 05:24:22 pm »

The account that it will be played from must have a bought Source game on it and therefore own Source SDK.

The machine that it will be played from must have Source SDK Base 2007 installed.

Aside from that you should just be able to copy your gesource directory from steamapps/source mods/ to the steamapps/source mods/ folders on all the other machines.

Thanks thats all I really needed to know, just a matter of copying the folder from one computer to another.  yeah don't worry we are using legit copies of HL2 / TF2. 

Now there is just the matter of getting a LAN going without using the internet at all,  we tried doing this for L4D but it proved to be a huge headache.

Might I add that since being away from a decient internet connection i have really developed a great dislike for steam, not bheing able to play a game that you actually bought and own legit because your not logged in or it needs updates (even in offline!?) is bullshit
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Re: need help spreading the love
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2010, 08:14:04 pm »

It runs fine until I hit tab to show the scoreboard (95%+ chance of a crash) or touch a pickup after we added the custom pickup pictures. (Seems to happen more in certain parts of certain maps, other areas it never crashes.)
What video card + driver do you use? Do you have enough available RAM allocated by Wine for you graphics card? If not, change that first (just type regedit from the console, yeah really).

Furthermore isn't it just a bad/non implemented function? Try launching GES from the console and read out the last output lines before/during the crash. Maybe there are some FIXME's or stubs?
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Re: need help spreading the love
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2010, 11:15:22 pm »

I updated Wine to 1.1.36 and now not even Steam works.  Five stars.
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Re: need help spreading the love
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2010, 11:55:31 pm »

I told you it wasn't GE:S
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Re: need help spreading the love
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2010, 01:09:40 am »

Left 4 Dead ran fine.  Shit FPS but it ran.  Somehow L4D is less stressful than GES?
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Re: need help spreading the love
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2010, 08:42:29 am »

uh yeah thanks i guess.  I don't really know anything about Wine and i have never needed it to use it all im trying to do is set up a LAN game can anyone point me in the right direction for how to do this?
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Re: need help spreading the love
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2010, 11:15:23 am »

Should be very simple, just create a server either by using the ingame "create server" option or by creating a dedicated server as usual, but without sv_lan 0.
While option #1 is for a quick match hosted by one of the ppl who take part in the match, option #2 should be used if you're planning to create a server not only for one or a few matches and there's a PC dedicated only to run servers.
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Re: need help spreading the love
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2010, 11:37:46 am »

so i set sv_lan 1?

Is it possible to play the game, and a LAN without using steam?  my friend is unable to log on to steam because our internet is crap.
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Re: need help spreading the love
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2010, 12:16:30 pm »

so i set sv_lan 1?

Is it possible to play the game, and a LAN without using steam?  my friend is unable to log on to steam because our internet is crap.
Even with the crappiest 28K you can still log into Steam.

I seriously doubt you got a legal copy... ::)

Why don't you just download him the installler? Let him log in... And then put the GE:S folder into his mod folder?

But wait a second... If your friends connection suck he probably doesn't even have Steam since he can't log in. In that case just stop whining and buy Half-Life2, or l2install Ubuntu and launch Windows games for Wine and baclk up your folder and put it under his Ubuntu install too.

Otherwise you can't... play...
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Re: need help spreading the love
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2010, 03:02:11 pm »

Ok thanks for calling me a liar especially since I do own The complete Orange box as well as CSS, L4D, Garry's Mod... and i have been playing GES since Beta 1, which I'm sure many people on here can vouch for. 

I wish I was on a crappy 28k, we are connected to a router that connects directly to a satellite... barely, I'm not exactly sure how it works but it seems to disconnect and reconnect from the internet almost constantly and download speeds are usually around 2kb/s.  If I were at home downloading the installer again would be no problem but here in Afghanistan things arn't quite that easy.

Anyways we are both able to log into steam now and i'm going to try to start up a LAN game in offline mode hopefully it works
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« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2010, 07:03:57 pm »

Don't mind Vincent, he seems to have problems interacting with other people.
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Re: need help spreading the love
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2010, 08:26:28 pm »

Ok thanks for calling me a liar especially since I do own The complete Orange box as well as CSS, L4D, Garry's Mod... and i have been playing GES since Beta 1, which I'm sure many people on here can vouch for.
OK... I own Global agenda, Orange Box, L4D, Half-Life 1 and every GoldSource game out there and I've been playing since Alpha. Is my e-penis larger than yours now?

The point here, my friend, is that you need two Steam accounts that both have a Source game...

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I wish I was on a crappy 28k, we are connected to a router that connects directly to a satellite... barely, I'm not exactly sure how it works but it seems to disconnect and reconnect from the internet almost constantly and download speeds are usually around 2kb/s.
You don't have to download anything... There is this backup option of every game that you own in Steam. So put the backup and the Steam installer on a USB stick, run the Steam installer on your friends pc and put the backup in place. All you need to do know is only connect to Steam just once and just activate it and hit the "Remember login stuff for offline use, or something" checkbox and you're good to go. Steam does check for different accounts in LAN play, even if you are both offline.

Don't mind Vincent, he seems to have problems interacting with other people.
Okey... glad somebody pointed that out for me so I didn't have to <_<'
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Re: need help spreading the love
« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2010, 06:06:20 pm »

e-penis? are you kidding me?

You miss the point, I don't like being called a liar and a theif.  But anyways I don't want to get in a flaming match here so thanks for all the people who gave me answers without attitude  ;)
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