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God and the universe...
WatchMyTrace:
This topic has gotten way out of hand, discussing these matters in this setting is just asking for trouble. Many people have many diffferent beliefs that is simply the nature of things noone should try to influence anyone else, this includes parents, these things need to be discovered on a personal level and honed through experience of life only then will your beliefs truely be your own and have true value to yourself. I'm sure many people here who follow an actual religion do so because thats what theve been told there entire childhood, which is when we are the most succeptable to influence, but if you were to have started with a cleen slate free from outside influence would it have still found you? maybe, maybe not,. But thats left for you to find out to look at the world as it is laid out before your eyes to look with awe and amazement at how precious it is to even exist to seek answers, discouver personal truths, or do nothing at all. That is the essence of the human spirit and the essence of true freedom.
To PPK- Are you denouncing the Pastafarians?? epox on thee! may your pasta forever be crunchy or overcooked, may his holy noodleyness forever rain meatballs on thouest parade, THOU SHALL'T NEVER BE AL DENTE AGAIN!!!!
The Beatles pwn j00!:
--- Quote from: Kinky on August 24, 2009, 05:32:12 pm ---Im sorry JessEH.... im no expert on religion but any Christian will tell you the world is somewhere around 3,000 years old. This as we know is completely ridiculous as the earth can be carbon dated to 18.7 billion years i think. Surely this is enough?
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No, they would tell you around 6,000. Those who hold the Young Earth view, anyway.
Do you know anything about radiometric dating methods? Have you done any research at all? There are indeed problems with these methods. It itself is based upon assumptions.
You are clearly not one learned in any science, nor have you done any of the most basic research. Yet you still believe these things to be true? Why? What reason have you? How are you any different from those you call illogical?
--- Quote from: Kinky on August 24, 2009, 05:32:12 pm ---Have you heard of the crusades? .... and if you think that wasnt ultimately evil then you really are quite blind.
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The Crusades were indeed evil. Those were not Christians. They merely put on a Christian tag in attempt to justify their own wicked desires. Do you think everyone who claims to be with Christ is actually with Christ? If so, "then you really are quite blind."
Again, please open your heart and try to find the answers for yourself. Don't get caught in the snare of only accepting what agrees with you. For it is in our nature to fight against Him. You will trade truths for lies, because the lies agree with the wickedness of the heart. You must overcome this. You must want the truth, no matter what. Seek Him with all your heart, and He will be found by you.
jjmusicnotes:
@ Kinky - The Universe is 13.7 billion years old. The Earth is 4.54 billion years old. Close, but thanks for playing. :D
To an extent, Watch is correct about this thread getting out of hand. In his original post, JessEH (The Beatles pwn j00!) cited that he was interested in what everyone else here believed in, not that he wanted to debate people over their opinions.
Unfortunately, this is usually the case because religion, faith, and greater meaning are all such a personal and integral part of our entire perception of life.
I think that a discussion of belief is healthy, in that people do not try and force their opinions on one another.
I think this because I also think that having as many points of view as possible for determining reasonable concepts is very important, and that we can all benefit from one another's view points.
--- Quote from: Konrad Beerbaum on August 24, 2009, 12:39:43 am ---There are really only 2 issues I have with religion.
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I have a quick question, so, is it religion that you have a beef with, or is it the concept of God?
Also @ Konrad - It's quite uncanny how similiar this aspect of our lives has been.
I'd also like to point out that I'm Christian, and that I'm not personally condemning you all to hell for not agreeing with me.
The Beatles pwn j00!:
--- Quote from: jjmusicnotes on August 24, 2009, 08:43:16 pm ---I'd also like to point out that I'm Christian, and that I'm not personally condemning you all to hell for not agreeing with me.
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I hope you are not implying that I am condemning people to Hell, or that I am acting like raging lunatic. I'm being calm and reasonable. I don't see this getting out of hand.
Perhaps "discussion" was the wrong word. What I had in mind was a debate of sorts. I don't want us to only list our beliefs, I also want us to explain and defend them the best we can. I think that would be more beneficial.
Also, one doesn't need to come and debate in this topic if they don't want to. If it's too much for them, they can just ignore it.
But if you feel that this thread should be locked, by all means lock it. I understand.
Konrad Beerbaum:
--- Quote from: jjmusicnotes on August 24, 2009, 08:43:16 pm ---I have a quick question, so, is it religion that you have a beef with, or is it the concept of God?
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I'm not sure what you mean by 'beef'. I have a problem with some aspects and consequences of religion, but not religion in general. To be fair, much of the time it is the people themselves who are the problem, and would probably cause similar issues with or without religion. But religion can also encourage some of this behavior as well. I don't buy into the concept of god, but I don't have a problem with people who do.
There have been several comments in this thread about scientific theories requiring belief as well. Essentially, anything you don't experience yourself requires belief. However to me there is a difference between religious belief and believing in the scientific process. The scientific process is completely transparent and peer reviewed. In school we learn how the scientific process works, and experience it on a small scale. Scientific theories are rigorously tested with the best possible information at the time, are peer reviewed by thousands of people, and theories are thrown out or changed based on new information. So I have faith in scientific theories because even though I haven't studied a specific theory myself, thousands of other people have and came up with the best possible answer they could, and so I can be reasonably certain it is good information. The same process does not apply to religious doctrine, and so it must be taken on BLIND faith, which is the key word. It is the difference between an educated guess and wild speculation.
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