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VC's Cartogratorium: Complex
« on: May 16, 2009, 09:56:13 pm »

Complex is still being blocked out, but there is a gameplay change that is strongly related to Complex that you kids should know about.

In Beta 4, the player's radius is reduced from 16 to 12 units.  This moves us from Source's idea of how fat someone is to Goldeneye 007's idea.  This is also good news for you, since it means tight areas like the pillars room in Complex will be something you can navigate without getting hung-up all the time.

This also means you can have a fight in a hallway beyond simply banging into each other and holding the mouse button down, since you can slip around people much more easily.  Additionally, this means you can get a lot closer to the walls, which will let you slip by Proximity Mines and have an easier time taking cover from bullets.  It will be a bit of a change from what you are used to, but then again, Beta 4 is changing a lot of things.

Shifting to the thread's intended topic, the scale for Complex is probably going to be about 104%.  That's a bit of a jump since Library and Temple both came in within 1%, but shit happens.  For those who are concerned I might forget, no, I'm not going to forget about how some of the holographic walls are one-way see-through and others aren't.  I know it's fucked up in the current Complex Classic and Neo, but as of vc_complex, fixed.  Regarding the Neo... no comment.

Oh, and while I'm not going to ensure that it's possible, I'm not planning on doing anything that would prevent skilled players from hiking Grenade Launcher Projectiles over the walls and into neighboring rooms.  I figure Complex has open ceilings for a reason, so the skybox will give plenty of headroom for high-angle surprises.  After all, a straight-up GLP is like a timed mine with pinache.
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Re: VC's Cartogratorium: Complex
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2009, 10:00:12 pm »

That sounds great. I can't wait to see that implemented.

The pillar room gave many players a headache in terms of navigation; when you're Bond you're not supposed to be as fat as Valentin.

Best of luck with the re-making of Complex Classic.
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Re: VC's Cartogratorium: Complex
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2009, 08:58:19 pm »

I figure Complex has open ceilings for a reason, so the skybox will give plenty of headroom for high-angle surprises. After all, a straight-up GLP is like a timed mine with pinache.

Hmm... I'm going to have to try that out in 007. (If no one else already knows.)
Pinache indeed.
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Re: VC's Cartogratorium: Complex
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2009, 09:47:58 pm »

I have tried it, and it can be done, but it is hard to aim it with the 64 controller. I assume it will be easier with the mouse.
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Re: VC's Cartogratorium: Complex
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2009, 11:09:36 pm »

Bah, beat me to it.

Just tried it out, and yeah, it's difficult, especially due to the nades being in the air for so long, making it hard to judge.
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Re: VC's Cartogratorium: Complex
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2009, 11:13:59 pm »

does the decrease in player radius mean that players can stick their hands even farther through doors now too? (Already semi-possible in the 3.1 release of GE:S and a classic bug in ge64).

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Re: VC's Cartogratorium: Complex
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2009, 11:18:11 pm »

That's a bug in all FPS's that use the viewmodel / worldmodel perspective

IE. What you see is your gun NOT clipping (because the cameraboy prevents it from getting that close, hitbox of viewmodel), but the world model doesn't take the gun's hit boxes into account when determining your bounds. So yes, the decreased radius will cause this to be worse...

I'll look into it, but not priority and why break the system now? Been A-OK since GE64 lol
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Re: VC's Cartogratorium: Complex
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2009, 12:54:20 am »

Been A-OK since GE64 lol

Yeah, I would say don't even try to fix it, my friends and I always got a kick out of shooting people's hands through the door when we played ge64 (Plus it won't even be as noticeable in ges's fast-paced environment).
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Re: VC's Cartogratorium: Complex
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2009, 09:18:39 am »

Complex is still being blocked out, but there is a gameplay change that is strongly related to Complex that you kids should know about.

In Beta 4, the player's radius is reduced from 16 to 12 units.

uhoh. :)

has the Sticky/jerky movement bug been fixed btw?

id hate to see the bugs effect increased. D:
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Re: VC's Cartogratorium: Complex
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2009, 01:51:30 pm »

client stuck on /0 not only still exists but pushed me to ragequit last night.

However, it has no association with player radius.  The problem is that Orange Box SDK is defective bullshit and that pisses me off.
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Re: VC's Cartogratorium: Complex
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2009, 04:04:15 pm »

Just have KM port the game back to ep1.
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Re: VC's Cartogratorium: Complex
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2009, 04:06:57 pm »

If it weren't for multifire.
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Re: VC's Cartogratorium: Complex
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2009, 02:31:03 am »

Just have KM port the game back to ep1.


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Re: VC's Cartogratorium: Complex
« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2009, 04:43:51 pm »

client stuck on /0 not only still exists but pushed me to ragequit last night.

However, it has no association with player radius.  The problem is that Orange Box SDK is defective bullshit and that pisses me off.

i'm not going to argue about it anymore but its a FACT that other mods do not have this problem (to the degree the mod has) the plain and simple and i have worked with source engine coding long enough to know it well and also love and hate it a good bit.

the problem as i said before is due to server<->client prediction errors that from the look of it is due to the player bounding box. i have seen the same kind of problem before in the mod i worked on.

also i even think hl2dm when it was first released had a somewhat similar problem.

bitch and moan about the SDK all you want (i know i have a lot over the time i have worked with it) but i say theres a 85% probability that its a MOD problem that can be mostly fixed with a bit of bugfixing time and effort.
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Re: VC's Cartogratorium: Complex
« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2009, 08:33:31 pm »

Steven, you have been proven wrong by a 100% chance and you didn't even know it yet.

I finished integrating the new beta SDK code into GE:S last night and we playtested to see if Valve fixed THEIR prediction and animation errors and it turns out they have!!

That's right, this problem was 100% to do with Valve. I didn't revert or change a single line of GE:S player movement, bounding box, or other such code during the merge and the playtest results on Cradle and Complex (the two worst and most frequent offenders of collision stuttering) resulted in smooth as glass performance for all involved with various latency levels.

VC did notice a stutter with player collisions, but that is on our end and has been fixed.

So please stop taughting your knowledge as the next coming of christ. I know what I am talking about and so does Lodle and we knew this was Valve's doing. Case closed.
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