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[The Beatles pwn j00!]

I will not support disabling achievements for certain game modes, that is illogical. First of all, its your choice to play LTK, why should we punish people for playing their favorite game mode by denying them achievements?

Because they ARE NOT truly getting those achievements. In LTK a Klobb isn't a Klobb, a PP7 isn't a PP7, an RCP90 isn't an RCP90, etc etc

Their different rate of fire, accuracy, and zooms make a laughable difference. They are all essentially the same.

And what about Goldfingered? Crowded LTK servers... with the current random sets there's always a few trillion Golden Guns lying around... one slap... what exactly did you achieve? THAT'S illogical.

Why are you punishing US who might want to play LTK, but don't want to FALSELY achieve Klobberin' Time?

Is there an option available to the individual to turn off kills counting toward their achievements when they are on LTK servers, or something? If not, then you are indeed punishing people like me. You are then denying me LTK, because of the way I feel about the achievements.

[Loafie, Hero of Dreams]

Actually, I agree. There should be some degree of skill/luck involved

[VC]

Achievements are for fun.  Stop taking the internet seriously and enjoy the game.

Do you frequently experience feelings of being punished or of persecution? Perhaps you should speak to a medical professional about these emotions.

[Loafie, Hero of Dreams]

I would have thought you to be the first person to champion this

[The Beatles pwn j00!]

Achievements are meant to be challenges. The way they are now they are pointless. If they count on LTK, then there is ABSOLUTELY NO POINT WHAT-SO-EVER for them, NOT EVEN FUN.

As it stands they mean nothing personally to the individual, and are not bragging rights for anyone else. So why even have them? With the current system, the most logical decision would be to just get rid of them.

And yes. For your information, I'm currently getting the appropriate paper work ready to go see a mental health specialist. But knowing that fact shouldn't discredit my suggestion. My logic on this is sound.

[Sergeant Kelly]

I actually agree with disabling or severely lessening achievement progress on LTK servers. Sure, it's illogical, but it makes getting them much more fun.

I felt like the progress was wasted when I got two 50 kill camping streaks and accidentally unlocked two PP7 achievements. (That was an awesome game, btw.)

[The Beatles pwn j00!]

If many of you are against disabling achievement progress on LTK, then why not just make a separate identical list of achievements for LTK mode? Perhaps modifying them a little to make them better suit the LTK mode?

Because really, LTK is so extreme (1 shot kills) compared to the others, that making it have it's own achievement list is necessary, since so many achievements are rendered nearly pointless within it. Either that, or get rid of achievements altogether.

[killermonkey]

Man you are seriously way too extreme right now.
You do realize you can easily backup your achievements BEFORE joining an LTK server?
Just take your gamestate.txt file, copy and past somewhere, instant backup.

Start GE:S
Play LTK
Quit GE:S

Copy and paste your backup back into gesource and blammo, no wasted achievements.

If this is too much work for you to do in order to maintain your pristine accomplishments, then I am sorry. Maybe a good fix will come upon me prior to the 3.1 patch, but no promises till then. Just enjoy the damn game.

@Storm101: You will have to reachieve the secret/00 agent ones that you already got, they will still be visible on your achievement screen, but you will have to go through and earn the extra kills to get it "again"

[Ruone Delacroix]

Any word of the achievements we suggested? I'm trying to think of one for the D5K.

[The Beatles pwn j00!]

Perhaps I am being too extreme. But that's usually how I like to have fun with my games. Taking them quite seriously. Sometimes I like gaming competitively. I like being rewarded for being good at something.

But these achievements aren't doing that. Some spawn killing lucky LTK nub shouldn't have the satisfaction of "achieving" any of them. Because they DIDN'T kill 100 people with the Sniper Rifle... they killed 100 people with a ZOOMING GOLDEN GUN in disguise.

That's all fine. No big deal. But if anyone ever dares brag about them in seriousness, I will give them an endless ear full. And rightly so.

I no longer care about the "achievements". There's no reason for me to try and get any of them. I wasn't expecting any when the BETA came out, so just as well. I'm quite content with the game itself (except the constant stream of Golden Guns and Gold/Silver PP7s. I solve this problem by simply leaving the game. Ugh. But I believe you said you are fixing this problem on the upcoming patch, so I look forward to that).

So I suppose I'm done with this thread, and shall not come back to it, for it no longer exists to me. Otherwise I will essentially be flaming it every post from now on.

When it comes to things like this I do indeed become quite serious (just take a look at my Youtube page... link in signature ), even if it is quite trivial. I apologize for any awkwardness or tension I may have caused. Please be tolerable of who I am. I AM indeed chemically imbalanced.

[Sp1nn3y]

Would it be to hard to seperate the achievements in different panels such as LTK(achiev.) TYOLT(achiev.) YOLT(achiev.)..etc..etc...

(this one i like personally) Maybe if that's a bit rash.. then removing LTK from the list with the others and giving it a whole separate section from the rest of them?

I believe fully removing achievements altogether is a bit rash in itself. I love the concept and keeps me actually wanting to Klobb someone to death.

[VC]

Riddle me this:

Do you get full credit for a kill with Klobb if the guy had 25% when you attacked him and did 30% with your headshot, or does that not count because he didn't have enough HP?  What if you do 200% (kill someone with full HP/AP) versus someone with 100%?   What if you do an AR33 headshot for the first 70%, then finish with the Klobb?

The achievements are based on 1) You holding the specific weapon. 2) You use the trigger. 3) Someone dies.  That's as simple, fair, and balanced as it can get.  If you need to stroke your e-penis to climax, just keep telling yourself that your achievements are worth more than other people's because you are hard core.


As for me, I started using Klobb whenever I could in LTK just for the fun of it. And for practice.

[The Beatles pwn j00!]

I know I said I wouldn't come back to this thread. Last time, I promise. Or at least won't post in it anymore. I've said all I can say.

Riddle me this:

Do you get full credit for a kill with Klobb if the guy had 25% when you attacked him and did 30% with your headshot, or does that not count because he didn't have enough HP?  What if you do 200% (kill someone with full HP/AP) versus someone with 100%?   What if you do an AR33 headshot for the first 70%, then finish with the Klobb?

You BETTER know that that isn't the same. We're talking about LTK. Come on, now.

The achievements are based on 1) You holding the specific weapon. 2) You use the trigger. 3) Someone dies.  That's as simple, fair, and balanced as it can get.

You're CONSTANTLY holding a Golden Gun. You are killing people with a modified Golden Gun. That's as pointless as it can get. And not just for weapon kill count achievements.

If you need to stroke your e-penis to climax, just keep telling yourself that your achievements are worth more than other people's because you are hard core.

  That's not necessary. All achievements are but a memory to me now.

All I can say has been said. I'm strictly spectating on this thread from now on. The urge to start insulting people is becoming overwhelming. And I don't want to do that AGAIN. 

[Sole Signal [Audix]]

I see what Beatles is coming from; I thought it was a little iffy myself to be racking up kills in LTK with the Klobb or something similar. You lose the satisfaction of actually earning it (I mean, I suck and I still picked up License to Kill in the first night and several other weapons soon after) and it sorta cheapens the kill achievements.

VC, your point is well taken, except the mindset in DM is entirely different than in LTK. Sure, you might happen upon someone almost dead every once in a while, but its nothing like LTK.

Obviously, the game rocks with or without any balancing equations regarding achievements. I wonder if it wouldn't be such a bad thing to drop LTK from stats or (better) have its own section. I don't feel strongly about it one way or another, but I can certainly see the other side.

[Rodney 1.666]

Hey guys, your local programmer here. Now that you've had some time to play Beta 3 and earn yourself some achievements, I want your feedback:

1. Overall, how hard are achievements to get? Do you think they should take longer or be consistently average difficulty (for most)?

2. Did anyone get Klobbering Time (Agent) yet??

3. Has anyone gotten Octopussy?

4. What are your thoughts regarding achievements, do they make you want to play more?

5. If you were to make a new achievement, what would it be (be realistic and you can build off the current ones like the leveled weapons)

Please keep your discussion to these topics or risk deletion, thanks!

>>>>> http://wiki.goldeneyesource.net/index.php/Beta3_achievements <<<<<<

1. Achievements seem fair so far. Though it would be awesome if there was a 007 level in which it simply continued to record your stats after overflowing 00 Agent.

2. It is indeed Klobbering Time.

3. Have not heard of Octopussy until now. Hmm...

4. Achievements always add to replay value, goody value, and overall fun value.
Goodies and extras are always aces in my book.

5. It's unfortunate that "For England, James" is already being used. (Course, it could change.)
That would be great for the achievement of shooting/kicking x amount of people off the bottom of the cradle. (While also standing on it, if possible.)