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nowhere:
--- Quote from: spider2544 on November 18, 2006, 09:46:22 pm ---no theres nothing illegal about that at all, they can sell their product in ANYmarket they please. and if there were laws about that, they could sell 20k PS3s to an employee and have him sell them all to get around any wacky laws that most likely arent even on the books. (just cause its not fair doesnt mean its not illegal)
if the system right now is costing them 900 bucks to make, and they are selling for around 1500 per system at final bid on average. they are making a profit of 600 bucks per system sold when i checked last night they ahad around 27,000 up, if sony had just Ebayed all of those (of coursse the didnt) thats 12,000,000 in profit.... not to bad considering they are losing a crap load per system. i think it would have been a good strateige for them to do that themselves instead of having the consumers do it for them and they lose out. free market can be a real bitch sometimes hahah.
sony wouldnt bee selling fewer systems, they would be selling the same amount of systems at a higher price. simply put no matter what the price of the PS3 for the amount they had... they are going to sell out of every last one of them for sure even on Ebay.
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Actually, I'm almost 100% sure that it would break some trust law. They said # of consoles at launch and if they purposefully lower that number so that they could make more for selling them on eBay, then I'm betting that would be illegal.
Let me put what I was trying to say this way: Sony's ultimate goal with the PS3 is market penetration, they want to sell as many as they can put simply. The reason PS3s are getting so much money on eBay is because there aren't that many. If Sony had produced a crapload of them, then yes, they would probably still sellout but they definitely wouldn't fetch as much on eBay. Hence it would make no sense for Sony to want to lower the number of consoles they sell at launch just so they could get a little bit more money by selling them on eBay. Sony would've definitely rathered to have a lot of them produced than to have this shortage and markup on eBay.
Enzo.Matrix:
Its basic economics. Supply vs Demand.
Supply = Low
Demand = High
Cost = Cant change.. normaly will
Re-sale cost = Sky rockets.
nowhere:
Exactly Enzo, and Sony wants Supply and Demand to be high. They don't want Supply to be low, especially not when the demand is highest. That's why it would make no sense for them to purposefully lower the amount of consoles available to make a tiny bit of money.
VC:
:: They don't want Supply to be low, especially not when the demand is highest. That's why it would make no sense for them to purposefully lower the amount of consoles available to make a tiny bit of money.
Not necessarily.
Let's look at it the Viacvian way: Sony could make more PS3s and put them out if they really wanted to because they're big enough, so why don't they?"
Right now, they have no competition. 360 is already out and established, and Revolution is still a ways off, so they have the Shiny New Toy market right now. They are the only Shiny New Toy, and will be for a while. As long as they are the only Shiny New Toy, they have the market cornered.
Sony is taking a hit on every unit; printer manufacturers take a hit on every unit. Printer companies earn profit on ink, Sony must earn profit on game sales. To sell games, you need game contracts. You need to tell game studios you have a strong, enduring product. One that will create a large userbase to buy lots of games.
Which sounds better:
"We sold out opening day, and now we move a few units every week."
"We've sold out every day for the first month! People camp out in line before stores open for the first two weeks! We're on the news because of the media frenzy! People are paying sixteen grand to get a console to play YOUR NEW BLOCKBUSTER GAME, {EA/Ubisoft/whatever}!"
We've discovered something. Sony makes PS3 look bigger than it is, by abusing metrics of popularity. PS3 (artificially) sells out every day, starting from release until they eventually satiate the market. PS3 gets on TV, newspapers, and Goldeneye Source Forums. Sony doesn't care about making money off of PS3 and we know this because they sell at a loss, so I ask you, nowhere, why wouldn't they want to have low supply when demand is high? They sell more they LOSE MORE because each unit is -$300! They want to choke sales and spread those losses out over the coming weeks, while buiding investment in Buzz, Popularity, and Attention from the mass media, so they can get the game studios to sign exclusives to Sony and not to Nintendo, who's known for going for exclusive contracts and using them to dominate whenever possible.
Remember, they are the only Shiny New Toy on the market, and will be until Revolution comes around the corner. Their best strategy is to exploit their solitary position to get the contracts and distribute their losses, so when Revolution comes out, PS3 will have the game catalogue to stay competitive.
At least, that's what I think.
nowhere:
The Wii is coming out in an hour and a half. So how long do they get to be the newest toy on the market? Let's see.... 2 days. They would probably need a month to accomplish what you're describing, plus, even if they had made 3-4 million PS3s for launch they would still have sold out and you're telling me Sony would rather make 300-500 thousand available at launch? So you think Sony would rather say "We've sold 350,000 units" while the 360 and the Wii have sold in the millions?
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